I don't think he literally meant today. Iowa State Fizer would handle Iowa State Ejim.
Anyone that even attempts to debate otherwise has no clue about basketball.
I don't think he literally meant today. Iowa State Fizer would handle Iowa State Ejim.
Probably true, however a player who eschewed declaring for the draft when he was a likely first round pick to play his junior year is a far cry from a one and done.
It's so lame that this turned into an Ejim thread.
I'd like to see Fizer v WhiteAnyone that even attempts to debate otherwise has no clue about basketball.
I'd like to see Fizer v White
I'd like to see Fizer v White
Thank you!I'd like 5 minutes with your wah wah pedal.
Marquis Gilstrap
Disagree completely. We are a university that sponsors a basketball team. While it's true guys come here to play basketball, having a number retired is the highest of honors at Iowa State. It should show not only outstanding play on the court but a commitment to the university. We need to ensure our collective praise is for guys who give everything they have to Iowa State, which includes graduation.
^^^^I'd like 5 minutes with your wah wah pedal.
I don't disagree with what you are saying, but even though Fizer was only here for three years does not mean he was not committed to ISU. You cant just review each potential candidate based on such broad criteria. Fizer represented ISU with just as much class as any other person in the rafters. You go to college to prepare you for the real world, and Fizer was beyond prepared for the real world after three years here. Fizer did nothing to tarnish his or ISU's name while in college or in the real world, not to mention where his name shows up in the record book. He should not be punished just because he made the personal choice to forego his senior year to better himself and his NBA stock.
I'd like 5 minutes with your wah wah pedal.
Thank you!
Instead of mocking people too young to have watched Fizer why not give a summary of the type of player he was, instead of just awards or stats? I was becoming aware of Cyclone hoops early enough to follow Fred's career but to be honest I was an Iowa fan when Grayer played, I know he was good but no idea what kind of college player he really was. I'd like if someone were to compare Grayer to current players.
Summary of Fizer for someone who started watching ISU four years ago:
-Physically very similar to Royce White, arrived a little leaner than Royce's one season, left bulkier and stronger (no jimlad, dude was big and strong) than Royce was his one year
-While not the passer or ball handler Royce was, Fizer had solid back to the basket moves and developed a mid range game by his last junior year, he was a pretty dependable free throw shooter for his size
-His defense and rebounding were comparable to Royce, good but not great
-He was an elite recruit who chose ISU because of a nearly life long relationship with Tim Floyd
-He was projected about 10th-20th in the NBA draft and turned it down to return to ISU for his junior year, leading ISU to a top 5 finish, Big 12 title, Big 12 tournament, Elite 8, Big 12 PotY and consensus first team All American
-Likely played a part in ISU have a NCotY that season too
-When looking at Fizer's stats keep in mind that ISU sometimes would grind out slower paced wins under Eustachy, they'd run at times but grind it out other times, it wasn't Hoiball, it was opportunistic control of a game
-If you have to put him in the mold of a great everyone knows it'd be an NCAA version of what you saw Barkley doing in the pros, pro career didn't pan out that way but that was the college type of player he was
-I feel like some people like Paul Shirley and even some fans try to smear him as a person but to my knowledge he didn't get in any trouble at ISU, he seemed like a nice guy around other students when I'd see him on campus (sometimes on a 10 speed bike which was hilarious looking) but I can't say I knew him
Instead of mocking people too young to have watched Fizer why not give a summary of the type of player he was, instead of just awards or stats? I was becoming aware of Cyclone hoops early enough to follow Fred's career but to be honest I was an Iowa fan when Grayer played, I know he was good but no idea what kind of college player he really was. I'd like if someone were to compare Grayer to current players.
Summary of Fizer for someone who started watching ISU four years ago:
-Physically very similar to Royce White, arrived a little leaner than Royce's one season, left bulkier and stronger (no jimlad, dude was big and strong) than Royce was his one year
-While not the passer or ball handler Royce was, Fizer had solid back to the basket moves and developed a mid range game by his last junior year, he was a pretty dependable free throw shooter for his size
-His defense and rebounding were comparable to Royce, good but not great
-He was an elite recruit who chose ISU because of a nearly life long relationship with Tim Floyd
-He was projected about 10th-20th in the NBA draft and turned it down to return to ISU for his junior year, leading ISU to a top 5 finish, Big 12 title, Big 12 tournament, Elite 8, Big 12 PotY and consensus first team All American
-Likely played a part in ISU have a NCotY that season too
-When looking at Fizer's stats keep in mind that ISU sometimes would grind out slower paced wins under Eustachy, they'd run at times but grind it out other times, it wasn't Hoiball, it was opportunistic control of a game
-If you have to put him in the mold of a great everyone knows it'd be an NCAA version of what you saw Barkley doing in the pros, pro career didn't pan out that way but that was the college type of player he was
-I feel like some people like Paul Shirley and even some fans try to smear him as a person but to my knowledge he didn't get in any trouble at ISU, he seemed like a nice guy around other students when I'd see him on campus (sometimes on a 10 speed bike which was hilarious looking) but I can't say I knew him