Hardest Colleges To Get Into for 2023

[cyclone1209]

Click bait.

Hardest diesel tech program to get in to is probably more important. The world does not need more art historians, Latin scholars or over-educated writers.

It needs more union laborers in all skilled trades, more money for front line health-care professionals and early age educators.

I agree.

And if we agree doesn't that directly support the idea that the student loan debt relief is a big policy mistake? After all - if you bail out more people who want to go to college to study art history, and we have a shortage of skilled trade workers, how does benefit our problem?

 

[canker2323]

UC looks down their nose at everyone - not in a snooty way, they truly believe their university and students are the best anywhere.

In a weak moment, they see Caltech, MIT and Oxford as universities with similar qualities. They definitely think they are better than Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc.

What was your grad degree in at UC?

Ms applied statistics.

Got it because I felt I needed a grad degree on my resume.

I think law and MBA grads look down their noses. I didn’t get a **** don’t stink vibe from my cohort.

 

[canker2323]

Is it true that it's really difficult to get As there? That basically companies know that the Bs in U of Chicago worth basically As in most of other universities?

Maybe undergrad is hard. Grading didn’t seem to difficult. Grad school was a lot of work. I was working full time while in school. They cram a semester’s worth of material into a quarter. Expect you to put in 3 hours of work outside of class for every hour of class time.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Ms applied statistics.

Got it because I felt I needed a grad degree on my resume.

I think law and MBA grads look down their noses. I didn’t get a **** don’t stink vibe from my cohort.

Yes, undergrad. Again, as I stated, they don't do it in a snootie, they just really believe that they are the preeminent undergrad institution in the United States.

As an example, undergrads are allowed to take two classes with MBA students in the Booth College of Business. They have to produce two curves for grading: one for grads and one for undergrads. The undergrad is a harder scale than the grad student because of the type of student they have as an undergraduate crushes the MBA student.

Impressive on your grad school. Love applied stats. ISU has an excellent statistics department......was that your undergrad?

Interesting fact - John D. Rockefeller started the University and it was a Baptist University, at its beginning.

 

[Gonzo]

Ms applied statistics.

Got it because I felt I needed a grad degree on my resume.

I think law and MBA grads look down their noses. I didn’t get a **** don’t stink vibe from my cohort.

Master's in Engineering Management is another good alternative to MBA for STEM types who want to elevate themselves to upper-level leadership, usually in more tech focused organizations but doesn't have to be.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Master's in Engineering Management is another good alternative to MBA for STEM types who want to elevate themselves to upper-level leadership, usually in more tech focused organizations but doesn't have to be.

Iowa State has a fabulous, but small, 5 year MBA program with an undergraduate in a stem-based major.

Total is about 90 to 95 students a year and they have 100% job placement within 90 days of graduation. The majority are some type of engineering undergrad.

 

[cyclone13]

I agree.

And if we agree doesn't that directly support the idea that the student loan debt relief is a big policy mistake? After all - if you bail out more people who want to go to college to study art history, and we have a shortage of skilled trade workers, how does benefit our problem?

I don't want this to be too political but to certain degree there is merit to this but we can see this from different aspects:

No. 1, college is EXPENSIVE - something needs to be done with this and unfortunately it's not the schools that will do this. The sticker prices are shocking (yes, you don't pay sticker prices, but even with everything that they throw at you, it's still expensive) and there are schools that I don't think we can afford to send our son to.

No. 2 the aspect of financial aid and scholarship. Right now the system only rewards the "extremely poor" and doesn't really help the middle class. So if you're middle class, you are too rich to qualify for aids but not rich enough to pay yourself.

No. 3 We need to do more educating students on the majors: what they can do with the majors, the salary, price of admissions to be successful in those fields, what they need to learn, etc. This way they don't change majors 3-4 times before graduating. Also they won't go to certain programs/schools/majors if they know that they will have to carry huge student loans when they graduate. We need to educate students on how to select colleges. too I understand when students are 18, they are adults, but parents and teachers can help too.

Making informed decisions will go a long way.

No. 4 Parents and teachers should not look down at trade schools. I used to run e-mentoring in one of my previous workplaces. We were paired with students and exchanged emails for 7 weeks discussing different topics (colleges, major, life skills, etc) and one time, one of our colleagues got complain from a student's parent because the student didn't want to go to college and the colleague/mentor suggested that if the student was good at trades, he should consider going to trade schools and his parents went BALLISTIC! These days I tell students that I mentor: a lot of office jobs have been exported to India, China, Phillippines, etc but you can't call 1-800 to ask how to fix electrical problems or plumbing problems.

5. Finance literacy. No explanations required

6. We should get away with "chase your dreams' - if you like poetry, painting, singing: be realistic: how good you are, what you can do with it? Can you make a livelihood from those? If you like history or art, what's your chance for example working for Smithsonian if you don't have connections? Being realistic will help students. If you like painting but not good enough, you might go to college of arts but end up painting local restaurants. This might sound harsh but that's the reality. While if you like arts but you go to certain majors that you don't LOVE but don't hate, you might be able to earn a good living and have disposable income to enjoy your painting/arts hobby.

And we need people with arts or history majors. I don't think the majors are the problems. it's the combination of a lot of things that cause this situation

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[carvers4math]

I don't want this to be too political but to certain degree there is merit to this but we can see this from different aspects:

No. 1, college is EXPENSIVE - something needs to be done with this and unfortunately it's not the schools that will do this. The sticker prices are shocking (yes, you don't pay sticker prices, but even with everything that they throw at you, it's still expensive) and there are schools that I don't think we can afford to send our son to.

No. 2 the aspect of financial aid and scholarship. Right now the system only rewards the "extremely poor" and doesn't really help the middle class. So if you're middle class, you are too rich to qualify for aids but not rich enough to pay yourself.

No. 3 We need to do more educating students on the majors: what they can do with the majors, the salary, price of admissions to be successful in those fields, what they need to learn, etc. This way they don't change majors 3-4 times before graduating. Also they won't go to certain programs/schools/majors if they know that they will have to carry huge student loans when they graduate. We need to educate students on how to select colleges. too I understand when students are 18, they are adults, but parents and teachers can help too.

Making informed decisions will go a long way.

No. 4 Parents and teachers should not look down at trade schools. I used to run e-mentoring in one of my previous workplaces. We were paired with students and exchanged emails for 7 weeks discussing different topics (colleges, major, life skills, etc) and one time, one of our colleagues got complain from a student's parent because the student didn't want to go to college and the colleague/mentor suggested that if the student was good at trades, he should consider going to trade schools and his parents went BALLISTIC! These days I tell students that I mentor: a lot of office jobs have been exported to India, China, Phillippines, etc but you can't call 1-800 to ask how to fix electrical problems or plumbing problems.

5. Finance literacy. No explanations required

6. We should get away with "chase your dreams' - if you like poetry, painting, singing: be realistic: how good you are, what you can do with it? Can you make a livelihood from those? If you like history or art, what's your chance for example working for Smithsonian if you don't have connections? Being realistic will help students. If you like painting but not good enough, you might go to college of arts but end up painting local restaurants. This might sound harsh but that's the reality. While if you like arts but you go to certain majors that you don't LOVE but don't hate, you might be able to earn a good living and have disposable income to enjoy your painting/arts hobby.

And we need people with arts or history majors. I don't think the majors are the problems. it's the combination of a lot of things that cause this situation

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I have a friend with a law degree. She absolutely hated practicing law. She went back to school, got a PhD in art history, and is a professor at an elite school mentioned in this thread. And is happy.

 

[carvers4math]

Iowa State has a fabulous, but small, 5 year MBA program with an undergraduate in a stem-based major.

Total is about 90 to 95 students a year and they have 100% job placement within 90 days of graduation. The majority are some type of engineering undergrad.

One of my sons did this. It was a juggling act with scheduled classes in the MBA program conflicting with senior design in his engineering major. At least the senior design prof was flexible because MBA program was not. He basically let him skip half his classes and let his design group catch him up because MBA class could only be taken at same time.

When he got his first job, his friends at the company were all getting MBA’s paid for by the company. It would have saved him a lot in student loans because he was basically treated as a grad student for loans for year four and five at ISU and we could not PLUS loan him then either. We did kick in a lot more then and fortunately only had one other in college with him those two years. He didn’t regret it though, he got a salary bump for already having it and he was of the attitude that when he was done with school, he wanted to be done with school. He didn’t want to come home from work and have school. Of course, his current employer he now has to get all the Six Sigma belt certifications.

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

One of my sons did this. It was a juggling act with scheduled classes in the MBA program conflicting with senior design in his engineering major. At least the senior design prof was flexible because MBA program was not. He basically let him skip half his classes and let his design group catch him up because MBA class could only be taken at same time.

When he got his first job, his friends at the company were all getting MBA’s paid for by the company. It would have saved him a lot in student loans because he was basically treated as a grad student for loans for year four and five at ISU and we could not PLUS loan him then either. We did kick in a lot more then and fortunately only had one other in college with him those two years. He didn’t regret it though, he got a salary bump for already having it and he was of the attitude that when he was done with school, he wanted to be done with school. He didn’t want to come home from work and have school. Of course, his current employer he now has to get all the Six Sigma belt certifications.

Awesome story. I hear great things about this program. You have to have a certain GMAT score, but they are also looking for a certain level of maturity to take this on. Good for your son.