Is this right? If it is, people still don’t think there’s any rot creeping in?
Has the Rot Started to Set In?
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Is this right? If it is, people still don’t think there’s any rot creeping in?
Virtually no one would say change wasn't needed. Rot HAD crept in and we're still paying the price.
But people are pushing back on the idea that we're in an irreversible slide. Let's see over the rest of the season if the changes he made (ie OL, OC, ST, and S&C) can turn the tide.
That is correct. But I don't completely disagree with the Lincoln Swinger in the post ^^^^ either.
The irony is that the Covid/Fiesta Bowl 9-win season probably prolonged the "rot".
There was a quite noticeable red flag at the end of 2019 (Campbell year 4). ISU's offense (particularly OL) was manhandled by upstart Klieman in the last game of the regular season, and then steamrolled by ND in the bowl game. Hall had under 60 yds rushing in both games. That season ended 7-6 (one less win than the previous 2 seasons). Nothing was done to address the shortcomings of the OL. I think Campbell suggested the problem was because the team was worked too hard, and the fanboys blew it off with the "it takes 5-7 years to build an OL" fallacy.
Then everything seemed good during 9-3 season, then the uber-veteran team with the big preseason ranking ends up at 7-6, and then last year's 4-win season before "changes" were made.
I think if we lose this week at a MAC school then momentum is completely lost. The trajectory would be down from then on.
I have thought some about this….best ISU season or peak of the current run. I acknowledge the 2020 year was odd and isn’t a good judge of a fan’s enjoyment of a season. I too rushed the field in my youth. My argument for 2020 being the high point is we hadn’t played for a conference championship before, had arguably our best qb and second best rb (Troy Davis), beat out rival and Oklahoma and Texas. A new years six bowl win was incredible. Again I realize it could not be fully enjoyed by the fan base, but how was 2018 better? 2021 ran it back and we underachieved terribly. That’s why I think 2020 was the high point. My opinion is probably less 2020 was the high point but that 2021 was a terrible underachievement. And 2022 worse. And 2023 not looking awesome.
You should
2023 Overall Big-12 Football Team Rankings
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You said we were last in 2023 and didn’t know 2024. This is the data. You’re not far off but this is what’s happening2023 Overall Big-12 Football Team Rankings
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2024 Overall Big-12 Football Team Rankings
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I would even argue smaller college coaches are just as good in terms of x and o's as D1 coaches.
My favorite during the Rhoads era was always all the excitement about the talent in the WR room every single year. Then the games would start and guys had a catch radius of like 9 inches. It was back when people actually believed self-reported 40 times.
Obviously the end of the Rhoads era brought in Lazard and Butler, but prior to that, the hype around guys at that position was always a huge letdown.
This guy has legit speed at 4.39. The sky's the limit. ISU beat out Rice and Steven F. Austin for his services. Big recruiting win for the staff.
This is probably good advice. There are some bad signs, but Campbell isn't going anywhere. This year was never going to be held against him too much because of the gambling dismissals, right or wrong. For the most part games have been competitive and entertaining.
Who knows what will even happen in CFB. Might as well sit back and enjoy the games while it still has a little bit of resemblance to what CFB has been.
I think at the end of the day, I have a hard time with threads like these because it is well documented that ISU has a poor football history and our fanbase as a whole does not have big donors. It’s hard to change culture and consistently play with the big boys when you aren’t one. We are going to either have to be way more patient than other fanbases or we’re going to have to throw a whole lot more money at the problem. I personally don’t feel that football is important enough to spend buckets of cash on, but if you do (and you’re complaining) you’d better be hitting up Blum with your donations.
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So you can't hold the guy in charge responsible for so many of the players he recruited and mentored not following obvious and strict rules?
I mean, $4 million dollars. Per year. Over several years. To one guy.
What happened to 5 star culture?
why do you keep dying on this hill?
What do you think CMC should have done? Take their phones?
One play that isn't getting talked about but was key was the early D PI call on third down that extended Iowa's first TD drive. It was a highly questionable call as the defender probably was in a better position to make the catch than the receiver and the contact was incidental. The defender has a right to the ball as well. Regardless, if that is a no-call Iowa is punting instead of driving for a TD to gain momentum and the ISU defense is quickly getting off the field instead of getting worn down. The ISU offense is also getting back on the field only down a FG rather than 10.
That being said; shoulda, woulda, coulda...
Way too early this season to panic and give up. If we drop the next 2 (which could happen) then we really need to worry about the wheels falling off, especially losing to Ohio. We can very much come out of this month at 3-1 with some strong momentum, and then I would hope everyone on the gloom and doom train will shut up
Louisiana finished the season ranked in the top 20 in all the polls and the playoff standings.
