I don't even...just...wow (celebration penalty nullifies state title)

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Wait, did I miss something or did that kid get excessive celebration for raising a fist into the air???

Are you missingwink:?

If this is a serious question - yes, the kid who scored the last second state-title winning touchdown had the score taken away because he raised his hand.

This thread is about that subject.

 

[ianoconnor]

Well, I just watched the video and didn't really read the thread. Can't the state HS athletics association reverse this crap? That is asinine.

 

[cyclonefreak5]

•Remember that the game is one of high emotion, played by gifted teenagers who are affirmed by playing a game at which they are exceptionally talented.
•Do not be overly technical in applying this rule.
•Do allow for brief spontaneous emotional reactions at the end of a play.
•Beyond the brief, spontaneous bursts of energy, officials should flag those acts that are clearly prolonged, self-congratulatory, and that make a mockery of the game.

A list of specifically prohibited acts is in (a) thru (h) on FR-122,123; this list is intended to be illustrative and not exhaustive. We can all agree that when these acts are clearly intended to taunt or demean, they should not be allowed—not only because they are written in the book, but because they offend our sense of how the game should be played. We now have enough experience with this rule to know what “feelsâ€￾ right and wrong. Note that most if not all of these actions fall outside the category of brief, spontaneous outbursts. Rather, they present themselves as taunting, self-glorification, demeaning to opponents, or showing disrespect to the opponents and the game.

When such a situation arises, officials should wait a count, take a deep breath, and assess what they feel about what they have seen.

If it feels OK, let it go.

If it feels wrong, flag it.

based on this, the ref failed miserably.

 

[Clonefan94]

The problem is with the rule. There shouldn't be a celebration penalty. There should be a taunting penalty and that is it. If they aren't taunting, let em celebrate, for Pete's sake. I used to be so frustrated with ISU getting the excessive celebration flag when the team was real bad. I would think "Cripes, these guys don't score very often, let them celebrate it a little bit."

Agree completely, there shoud never be a penalty called when a kid is celebrating a big moment. There is a big difference between taunting and celebration. Let them have fun for crying out loud.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Well, I just watched the video and didn't really read the thread. Can't the state HS athletics association reverse this crap? That is asinine.

No. They can't. At least that is what they claim. That they "aren't allowed."

Bunch of sissies.

The fix for this is obvious. They won the game. They are the champions.

Simply acknowledge it.

This brings up another point of annoyance with "unreviewable" plays. Horsecollar, and, I believe, facemask (among other fouls) are allegedly unreviewable. I do not understand why the most easily reviewed fouls are exempt under the guise of being "judgment calls." As if one can't check what their eyes actually saw and make the same gray "judgment" after the fact.

Yuck.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

To be safe, all further celebrations on the field should be done in the following fashion.

Aldon Smith Sack Celebration - YouTube

Winning.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Winning.

Totally agree, except that the stupid refs could have misinterpreted his helmet removal as taunting! Good grief, the anti-fun rules in football are stupid. Pete Maravich once stole a state troopers hat, put it on his head, ran down the court and shot a J, only returning it after the bucket.

In a college game! I tell you, those opponents must have been scarred for life.

Let's get MAD again was a terrible campaign, but I'd be all on board for a "Let's have FUN again" campaign.

 

[ICclone23]

Any sort of celebration before crossing the goal line. That is basically the rule.

I don't like the rule and I don't think it should exist, but it does. I don't like hand checking called either but it exists.

There is no such rule. Taunting and excessively celebrating are against the rule. He did neither.

 

[Tre4ISU]

There is no such rule. Taunting and excessively celebrating are against the rule. He did neither.

That's the whole problem with these stupid rules. It's all subjective. What's "excessive"? The amount of weight placed on interpretation in especially these rules in football is ridiculous. Money was deserving of a penalty against UCONN. Essentially, he did the same thing as Wing, but he wasn't called and Wing was. Refs have to much pwer these days and not enough accountability on plays that require interpretation.

 

[Ficklone02]

I guess I don't necessarily blame the refs in this situation, I blame the idiots that made these nonsensical rules. Its like they're afraid of the officials being forced to apply common sense to any situation. Or, if you don't want to blame idiots that made these rules, blame Jimmy Johnson's Miami Hurricanes.

 

[Cy$]

should be a no call...it didn't affect the outcome and it was tacky in the given situation

 

[SvrWxCy]

Depends upon what the rule specifically states, but if the rules are the following:

Specifically prohibited acts and conduct include:
1. No player, substitute, coach or other person subject to the rules shall
use abusive, threatening or obscene language or gestures, or engage in
such acts that provoke ill will or are demeaning to an opponent, to game
officials or to the image of the game, including but not limited to:
(a) Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or
imitating the slashing of the throat.
(b) Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.
(c) Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as
simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to
request recognition.
(d) Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which
a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or
themselves).
(e) An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches
the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
(f) Removal of a player’s helmet before he is in the team area
(Exceptions: Team, media or injury timeouts; equipment adjustment;
through play; between periods; and during a measurement for a first
down).
(g) Punching one’s own chest or crossing one’s arms in front of the chest
while standing over a prone player.
(h) Going into the stands to interact with spectators, or bowing at the
waist after a good play.

The flag should not have been thrown, he did no signal that is degrading (hand to ear, throat slash, etc.) and did not direct his motion at the opponent; he did not alter his stride and did nothing that is fairly explicitly described in the rules above. While it isn't the smartest thing, it was nothing that explicitly broke the rule as described above and if that is the case a flag should have never been thrown.

Now if you want to go back to the LSU case, that is in violation of those rules as the player did direct his motions towards the opponent by looking back at them. Wasn't an extreme case, but I can see the flag being thrown there.

 

[andybernard]

No. They can't. At least that is what they claim. That they "aren't allowed."

Bunch of sissies.

The fix for this is obvious. They won the game. They are the champions.

Simply acknowledge it.

This brings up another point of annoyance with "unreviewable" plays. Horsecollar, and, I believe, facemask (among other fouls) are allegedly unreviewable. I do not understand why the most easily reviewed fouls are exempt under the guise of being "judgment calls." As if one can't check what their eyes actually saw and make the same gray "judgment" after the fact.

Yuck.

Let me preface this by saying I completely agree with those who say there should have been no flag thrown. But that score would have put them up by 2 with 6 minutes left. So to say that they are champions is a bit ridiculous. A lot of game was left to be played.

 

[cy4prez7]

Let me preface this by saying I completely agree with those who say there should have been no flag thrown. But that score would have put them up by 2 with 6 minutes left. So to say that they are champions is a bit ridiculous. A lot of game was left to be played.

Yeah you can't just give them the game based on the time that was left in the game. Had that happened on the last play of the game it would be a different story.

Also to chime in on the rest of the thread, he broke no rule. I do think they need a rule for excessive celebration though because it would get ridiculous if they don't. See Miami Hurricanes under Jimmy Johnson as someone earlier stated.

 

[BKLYNCyclone]

I'm clearly in the minority on this one, but I agree with the flag... Had he celebrated after he got into the endzone, I wouldn't have cared, but when you're fist pumping as your're running down the field it's another matter. Play like you've been there before, and finish the play. Jump up and down in the endzone after the play is over, but the fist pump was idiotic. Now everyone is telling the kid it's ok to be a duchebag, which is stupid.

 

[3TrueFans]

I'm clearly in the minority on this one, but I agree with the flag... Had he celebrated after he got into the endzone, I wouldn't have cared, but when you're fist pumping as your're running down the field it's another matter. Play like you've been there before, and finish the play. Jump up and down in the endzone after the play is over, but the fist pump was idiotic. Now everyone is telling the kid it's ok to be a duchebag, which is stupid.

If you think putting your hand in the air is being a ********* then I suppose we have wildly different definitions of the word.

 

[drmwevr08]

Holy ball sack that was a ****** call. What a bunch of crap to make that call at any time in any game let alone right there. Do they flag them for cracking a smile when they score too? Boooooo

 

[RING4CY]

I would recommend not watching the accompanying video past the play in question. It's nothing but Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless.

Celebration penalty on TD costs Cathedral High School team title - ESPN Boston

Wait until you have the ball secured across the goal line to celebrate. What is it about that, that players have such a hard time comprehending?