Get your facts straight. We had halftime leads against K-State and TTech. And lost both those games. We have come from behind at halftime for our 2 wins.
I Say Keep PR!
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Get your facts straight. We had halftime leads against K-State and TTech. And lost both those games. We have come from behind at halftime for our 2 wins.
I just like to nit pick that he has had success with players he inherited, not the ones he recruited. All he has proven is he can win with other coaches recruits and lose with his own. Regularly. Yup, he sure is showing a pattern of something...
I guess I didn't realize that every single player that played the first four years under Rhoads was recruited by Chizik or McCarney. That is such an easy, tired, unverifiable, BS argument. The bottom line is he demonstrated an ability to be successful, which means it isn't unreasonable to think it can happen again. But you can continue to look for reasons to devalue or diminish what he accomplished over the first four years in order to form a knee-jerk opinion that he needs to be fired without giving him a minute to get back on the right track.
I was paying attention, and I did think this team would struggle. I did not think we would be winless in the conference (barring the outcome of the last 2 games.) I also did not think we would be steamrolled by a an FCS team at home the first game of the season either. I knew they were tough, but they ran us out of our own stadium.
That same tough team from the Dakota area was punched in the mouth 2 weeks ago by UNI. Yes, UNI, the same team we play in our opener next year. I guess I disagree that we will "win that game easily" next year.
Also, we must have different definitions of "a pattern of success". His first four years he went 24-27, and 12-22 in conference games. That did include one bowl game win. At some schools, that record would get you fired. Luckily for CPR, ISU fans accept a losing culture in football.
I say we keep him. He was loyal to us for not leaving to coach at other schools several times in the last 5 years. We can and should be loyal and stick it out through a few bad seasons. He obviously wants to be here (at one time that's all we wanted) and doesn't want to quit working hard. If and when he is successful again I would be afraid he will remember the calls for his head and possibly take the bigger job$ that were once passed by. That's just my 2 cents.
I must say that I am not one who decides to go to a game based on if we are likely to win or not. Only missed a few games in 20 years and I always attend games to spend time with friends and family. The food/beer/football are simply an added bonus. If I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't go. That being said, It's upsetting watching people ruin their entire night or football season simply because their team has lost. To them I say that you are missing the big picture. Life has ups and downs and you better discover a better way of dealing with the downs. More importantly life is short and you are wasting an opportunity to have good time with your friends and family.
I must say that I am not one who decides to go to a game based on if we are likely to win or not. Only missed a few games in 20 years and I always attend games to spend time with friends and family. The food/beer/football are simply an added bonus. If I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't go. That being said, It's upsetting watching people ruin their entire night or football season simply because their team has lost. To them I say that you are missing the big picture. Life has ups and downs and you better discover a better way of dealing with the downs. More importantly life is short and you are wasting an opportunity to have good time with your friends and family.
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I guess we should just get a new coach and start over every four years then. Some of you act as if there is an easy solution for ISU. There, unfortunately, is not. We either have to pick a guy we think has the chance to do it over the long run or just keep blindly throwing a new guy in.
I have a secret for everyone - coaching football isn't rocket science. The next guy in isn't Einstein. He'll be another football coach. Charisma, organization and discipline can get the job done if the timing is right and there is more than an ounce of luck.
I say we keep Paul on a one year basis. If there's improvement then we keep it going. Otherwise, like any profession he is not meeting expectations and we will have to part ways. I like Paul very much, and wish him well whichever outcome occurs.
He has had several.
Check out what a year has done for TCU http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/2628/year/2013/tcu-horned-frogs
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That was a bad loss. I'm not going to defend it. They kicked our a**es all over the field. It happens. We're not above the elite FCS programs at this time. I also did not think we would be win-less in conference, either. Who knew that all of a sudden KU would get their ***** together when they played us with our backup QB. They almost beat TCU the next weekend. We've been unfortunate the past couple of seasons with a confluence of injuries, bad apples, bad calls, and no balls bouncing our way in close games.
Also, the "accepting a culture of losing" argument is a tired argument. If you want to root for a team that never has a losing season, give Mr. Saban or Mr. Stoops a call. At this point in time, success at Iowa State is a bowl game. It's reality. You should take a dose or two. We are not at the point where we can expect a bowl game every year. It's not that I accept a losing culture, it's just that I know to expect a winning season every single year at this point is unreasonable, and I am willing to go with the ebbs and flows that will inevitably occur as we build toward that goal.
This is such a tired reply to valid point. You have no evidence to suggest he can win with a roster of his own players where as its plain as day thus far that he can't. The only thing he has proven is that he is awful proud to keep cashing those pay checks for consistently unprepared and uninspired performances.
Keep Rhoads and change the name of the team to the Iowa State "Ponce De Leon's."
Clearly our players have found the fountain of youth, because every year I hear how young we are.
Clearly our players have found the fountain of youth, because every year I hear how young we are.
Just because you keep calling things "tired arguments" doesn't make them any less valid. K-State and Baylor are two bad teams seeing a resurgence but we at ISU had better just accept CPRs ******** because we are ISU, right?
Should CPR not be held accountable for his job then? Since he is doing things the right way, and he wants to be here, and he is from Iowa, and since he is a nice guy..... blah, blah, blah.... should he not be held accountable for winning football games, or the product he puts on the football field every Saturday? He is paid approximately $1.75 million a year to win football games. Just like you at your job, or any job for that matter, if you perform well, you make more money. If you fail to meet the basic criteria of your job (again, winning football games), you can be fired.
Some people are so scared to make a change. What is the worst thing that can happen if we make a coaching change? We lose more conference games? (Probably not possible this year, as we might lose them all). The attendance slides? (Actually, a new coach would put more people in the seats.) We lose some of our 2* recruits? I can not understand why some people are so scared to make a coaching change. Do you think KU regrets firing Weis? It was probably the best thing to happen to that football program. They had reached the football abyss, a place we are near now.
So to answer your question, I would rather "keep blindly throwing a new guy in". I am tired of losing to FCS schools, you know, the ones that have 22 less scholarships than we do, but continue to mop the floor with us.
Show me where we played a game in years 1-4 without a single player he recruited, and I'll agree with you. He was successful in years 1-4 with a roster that included players he recruited. It's plain as day. It's not a valid point. It's just not. As for uninspired performances, I wouldn't call a win over Iowa, a close loss to K-State, UT, or TTU uninspired. Sure, we've been blown out a few times, but we aren't good this year. We'll be better next year, and if we aren't, then I agree we can start the conversation.
You are so blind it's ridiculous. You were probably one of those people still supporting McDermott after his final season at ISU. You can't see that it's not going to work out. You are right, he did show that he can be a good coach, but that was with talent he inherited. What he has proven is that he can't recruit. Look no further than the defense. The offense has some talent on it, and it should be improved greatly by Mangino's second year. The defense however is has no talent. Mutcherson, Cotton-Moya, and Tribune are the only players that could see the field on other Big 12 schools. Look back at what he has done and you will see that a lot of his success was pure luck. Nebraska turned the ball over 8 times. At least 5 of those were just bonehead moves by a Nebraska player and ISU still barley won. Any other team would have annihilated any team if they turned the ball over 8 times and we were still holding our breaths near the end of that game.
Last season was the first year you could really start to see where this program was headed because it was 100% all CPR players and it was a disaster. This season has been an even bigger disaster. Something also seems different with Rhoads. The first 4 seasons he showed passion and was not scared to gamble during the game by faking punts, faking field goals, or sneak onside kicks. He just hasn't been showing that kind of passion or risk taking the last two seasons. I don't think anyone questions whether Rhoads wants to be at ISU and wants to win at ISU, but he is in over his head at this point. The talent, at least on the defensive side, is equivalent to the early to mid 90's. That is going to set this program back many years unless some changes start happening now.
People keep thinking that all these JUCO's is going to cure the problem. We see how well that turned out this season when they signed 8 of them. None of them are making a big impact. Sure some of them play, but none of them are any where near being a standout. One of them is redshirting, not because he is injured, but because he couldn't beat other players out at ISU's worst position.
You have stated that a big problem for ISU is that Jake Knott and A.J. Klein left. There is anywhere from 15-35 players that leave every program every year. If you can't recover from losing two players after two years, then you have a major red flag from not only a talent stand point, but from a coaching stand point. We all want ISU to be successful, but you are blind if you think he has ''earned'' being the coach another year. He has had 1 winning season in 6 years. He hasn't earned anything. He will likely get at least one more season, and you will see that recruiting is going to be the downfall of the CPR era.
Of course the coach should be held accountable for his job (but it isn't exactly like your job or mine). I pay a ******** of money each year to the AD and I expect it. And NOBODY wants to win more than I do. We just disagree on how that gets done. I don't see anything wrong with that either. I'm not 100% sure Rhoads is the man for the job. But I don't 100% think he isn't right now either. I just think that some people believe that football coach X is going to be able to come in a magically do things that Rhoads can't (as if he isn't even trying). Given all of the variables in this particular situation, I'm in the camp of seeing what happens next year and if that isn't a stark improvement making a change.
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They are tired because they aren't based on rational thought. Of course no one wants to accept losing, and it's disingenuous to infer that from the conversation. K-State and Baylor are what you call "outliers." Those types of resurgences do not happen often. The expediency of the Baylor resurgance should certainly not be expected. Baylor has a recruiting advantage that cannot be replicated at ISU. The groundwork for K-State's resurgence was built during Snyder's first tenure at K-State. I fully expect them to fall back into the bottom of the conference when he retires again, because they face the same hurdles as ISU in terms of recruiting (location). CPR has had some bad luck the past few years that will hopefully turn in our favor in the next couple of years. That said, you can have a knee-jerk reaction every time we have a down year if it makes you feel better. I can guarantee you that if that is your MO, you're gonna be doing the same thing again in 4 years if we were to replace Rhoads, because your expectations are too high at this point in time.
