If Big 12 expands to 12, who do you pick if ACC is off the table?

[Go2Guy]

If you assume the ACC teams don't leave, what two teams would you choose and why to get to a 12 team conference? Top options would include:

Louisville
Cincy
BYU
UConn
Rutgers

Can we pass? I really like having a 'round robin' schedule and playing everybody in conference as it makes the conference championship much more meaningful.

Besides Rutgers, the other schools don't offer much to the academic / research standards. PS: I miss Nebraska and Mizzu.

 

[klamath632]

PS: I miss Nebraska and Mizzu.

**** Missouri. For real, **** them. Columbia, MO can eat a nuke for all I care.

 

[Prometheus]

JT expansion matters to us. It doesn't matter at all to the conference how big our stadium is. We could have 500,000 seats, and fill them every week, but if we didn't drive any more tv viewership than we do now we still wouldn't be worth much in the conference realignment scenario.

Sorry, either stadium size matters for everyone or it doesn't matter for anyone. You can't have it where it matters at some places but doesn't matter at others like you first stated. And don't kid yourself, if ISU had a 500,000 capacity stadium and filled it they would be more valuable to any and all conference realignment scenario.

 

[Bobby45]

With choices like those...............I wouldnt take any of them................


Just stay with ten teams and have a "TRUE CHAMPION", each and every year......


Go Cyclones Beat the Stuffins' Outta West Illinois.

 

[aeroclone]

You stay put at 10 until something big shakes loose. IF the SEC or ACC start to get unstable as they grow, you go in and try to pick off a couple, but none of the remaining Big East schools and mid-majors are worth our time.

 

[cyclonepower]

if we have to take two of those bums might as well take S. Florida

 

[drednot57]

Honestly, it looks like the "Big 12" is staying at ten teams for some time to come unless ESPN and Fox really want a conference championship game. If (really big if right now) the networks are insistent about a CCG, then the Big 12 admin. will look for two new members. My choices would be FSU and Louisville. FSU as a national brand, and Louisville as a geographic bridge for WVU. My question about the ACC is how ND joining affects their TV deal? If the ACC TV money doesn't change significantly, I believe there will be the possibility of some disgruntled conference members. Perhaps there is a slim chance of conference expansion, but don't hold your breath.

 

[IAStubborn]

While I originally dismissed this idea, I am now slightly intriqued by a solution suggested by Barry Switzer on a radio show earlier this year: Northern Illinois and Louisville. While NIU gets no thought normally in this equation the thought is that you invest in their market potential in an undercapitalized Chicago/Illinois market (the same arguement as Rutgers ten years ago). They have a 25k enrollment now give them 23 million a year and start bringing the big boys to town we start cutting in to the Chicago market further weakening the Big Ten. Plus talent wise they already arn't too far off. Not completly sold on the idea but but like the long game thinking and it would make geographic sense.

 

[CyCrazy]

While I originally dismissed this idea, I am now slightly intriqued by a solution suggested by Barry Switzer on a radio show earlier this year: Northern Illinois and Louisville. While NIU gets no thought normally in this equation the thought is that you invest in their market potential in an undercapitalized Chicago/Illinois market (the same arguement as Rutgers ten years ago). They have a 25k enrollment now give them 23 million a year and start bringing the big boys to town we start cutting in to the Chicago market further weakening the Big Ten. Plus talent wise they already arn't too far off. Not completly sold on the idea but but like the long game thinking and it would make geographic sense.

Northern Illinois? Are you related to Isuno1fan who was pumping Tulane because of their market and potential?

 

[IAStubborn]

Northern Illinois? Are you related to Isuno1fan who was pumping Tulane because of their market and potential?

...no I don't think we should expand if these were the only options (as they appear to be) but I was responding to the qualifiers of the thread. If we can only choose non acc schools and have to go to 12 it is one that should be considered since no team gives us any real gain in the short term so may as well explore long game potential of certain teams IF WE HAD to expand.

 

[TheHelgo]

Of those options, I would say Rutgers and Louisville. 12 is better than 10 in the long run.

 

[alarson]

Sorry, either stadium size matters for everyone or it doesn't matter for anyone. You can't have it where it matters at some places but doesn't matter at others like you first stated. And don't kid yourself, if ISU had a 500,000 capacity stadium and filled it they would be more valuable to any and all conference realignment scenario.

You're being intentionally dense, or at least i hope so.

The quality of our stadium matters to us, and by us i mean our fans, because it improves our gameday experience for our fans.

As far as value to a conference goes though, your stadium size means precisely ****, and that goes for everyone. Your value to the other schools is what matters. Your stadium size doesn't generate revenue for other schools unless you are in a conference that splits gate revenues. What does matter is things like the amount of viewers you bring to any game. If ISU had 500k people in the stadium, but nobody else tuned in to watch us on tv (for some reason our fans hated tv watching, this isnt a reasonable scenario), we would bring zero tv value, and thus would just be a sink on the shared tv earnings.

 

[IAStubborn]

Northern Illinois? Are you related to Isuno1fan who was pumping Tulane because of their market and potential?

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Also tulanes Is a lot smaller school in a much smaller state that already has a dominant powerhouse team in the state. Tulane has no upside. And chicago is a realistic recruiting area for ISU that elevating NIU would open up. Plus it would further dillute prime hawkeye recruiting country. A lot of plusses from an ISU perspective

 

[CyCrazy]

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Also tulanes Is a lot smaller school in a much smaller state that already has a dominant powerhouse team in the state. Tulane has no upside. And chicago is a realistic recruiting area for ISU that elevating NIU would open up. Plus it would further dulute prime hawkeye recruiting country. A lot of plusses from an ISU perspective

Lol, you got me once hawk troll, but not twice tonight.

 

[TigerCyJM]

Does the downfall at Penn State benefit Rutgers as a FB program? Penn State has always gone into New Jersey and taken most of the top recruits. If that changes Rutgers might continue the improvement they have shown over the last decade. Some of their other strengths:

Strong academics - I believe they are an AAU institution
Excellent location - Hard to beat NYC for a media market
Recruiting -NJ produces some good talent
Facilities - I believe they are expanding their stadium and could probably use the Giants new stadium if they had to when Oklahoma or Texas role into town.

Unless there is something I am missing I would put them at the top of my list.

Nobody in NYC gives a crap about college football...it's a pro sports town through and through.

 

[chuckd4735]

Of those options, I would say Rutgers and Louisville. 12 is better than 10 in the long run.

How so?

 

[TigerCyJM]

While I originally dismissed this idea, I am now slightly intriqued by a solution suggested by Barry Switzer on a radio show earlier this year: Northern Illinois and Louisville. While NIU gets no thought normally in this equation the thought is that you invest in their market potential in an undercapitalized Chicago/Illinois market (the same arguement as Rutgers ten years ago). They have a 25k enrollment now give them 23 million a year and start bringing the big boys to town we start cutting in to the Chicago market further weakening the Big Ten. Plus talent wise they already arn't too far off. Not completly sold on the idea but but like the long game thinking and it would make geographic sense.

The Chicago market is completely controlled by Notre Dame and NW, primarily Notre Dame. It's not underutilized by any stretch.

 

[IAStubborn]

The Chicago market is completely controlled by Notre Dame and NW, primarily Notre Dame. It's not underutilized by any stretch.

Its a big city and state. Would they ever dominate the market? no but cutting into a declining ND fanbase, the western suburbs & NW IL they could carve out a piece of the pie be a decent team and open up recruiting territory to big 12 northern teams and hurt the hoks.....still not worth expanding for , not even close. But would rather have them than cincinatti which IMO is the equivalent, but smaller and has no other upside. Byu too far west and no recruits there. Bottom line stay at 10.

 

[isuno1fan]

Northern Illinois? Are you related to Isuno1fan who was pumping Tulane because of their market and potential?

HA! I was just going to tell him Tulane is a better choice than NIU....LOL

 

[CyCrazy]

HA! I was just going to tell him Tulane is a better choice than NIU....LOL

This is not surprising.