I am not into building programs, but if the conference was going to start a program from basically scratch and grow it I would do Ohio before NIU. That said, I would stay at ten, wait for disgruntled bigger programs.
If Big 12 expands to 12, who do you pick if ACC is off the table?
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**** BYU. They've got ND's stuck-up attitude without the national prominence. A year or two back when the conference was discussing with them they wanted special negotiations and considerations. **** them - we would be doing them a favor by adding them and instead they're acting like they would be doing us a favor by accepting.
Expand with the St. Louis Rams and Minnesota Vikings. They leave the NFL cause they suck and join the Big Twelve for better days. On a more serious note stay at ten teams.
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Academically, both programs are still better than Nebraska was. I don't see a problem here.
Agree on both fronts. Hadnt thought about Ohio U,but is better recruting country especially with a weak PSU. if we had to go 12 now ohio w/ Louisville and WVU would give us a good footprint in coal country.
All of a sudden stadium size doesn't matter, but yet high schools, college and pro sports are always improving/rebuilding them and not just for their own fans. Thanks for the insult though, It must be nice to be as smart as you are as it makes your argument so much more meaningfull. LOL You act as if TV is the only piece of the pie, which clearly it is not as whitnessed by bigger TV markets then Des Moines or Iowa who don't have a major program like ISU. Using your logic both the Big East and Conf USA should be greater then the Big 12.
With the big conferences learning from the B12's mistake (i.e. not having schools tied down with a long-reaching grant of rights/uber large buyout), I don't see any conference outside of the Big East changing in the next 10+ years. I don't think the B12 is going to add/subtract anyone else. Same goes for the ACC, SEC, B10, and PAC. Too bad, because it sounded like the B12 had a chance of getting 2 quality teams from the ACC - which I would have enjoyed seeing in the B12.
That's not completely insane. It's definitely a long-term play, maybe 10 years. You could surely get them CHEAP, maybe pay them a half-share until they get up to par and become a big draw. They could put together a more competitive team than Northwestern, given they probably have lower academic standards.
Feels like the Illinois version of Texas Tech.
Stadium size has nothing to do with TV contract, and because the Big 12 doesn't share gate revenue, the conference really couldn't care less whether a school's stadium seats 25K or 100K.
Where stadium size DOES matter is for the individual schools themselves. Since the schools keep 100% of their gate revenue (not shared with anyone else in the conference), it matters to the individual schools to have an appropriately sized stadium for their fan base. If a school has a stadium that seats 30K but they could average 60K in ticket sales per game, they sure as hell better upgrade or they're leaving a whole hell of a lot of money on the table. Conversely, if a school has a stadium that seats 30K, but they can only average 20K in ticket sales, building a 60K stadium is a waste of a lot of money.
In summary, a school builds/upgrades a stadium for its own benefits, whether economic, recruiting advantages, etc. It does not build/upgrade a stadium for a TV contract because NO TV contract dictates the size or amenities of a stadium. NONE.
What about Air Force? Not a powerhouse to be sure, but phenomenal brand recognition! Academics, reputation, all good.
Plus I would love to go there for a game every other year and catch way cool flyovers.
Plus I would love to go there for a game every other year and catch way cool flyovers.
What? The ONLY reason anyone does stadium improvements is for their own fans and program revenues. It has ZERO to do with increasing their tv value or the value to their conference. ESPN doesn't come to the conference and say 'we think you're worth paying X, but if a couple of the stadiums are made bigger, we'll pay a few million more a year'. They'd have no reason to.
Because for value of a team to a conference, it IS 99% of the pie.
This is where you're wrong. The reason the big east\conference USA are less valuable\successful is the SAME reason, the reason being they don't drive as much tv revenue. Many of their programs, while some may reside in areas of population, still draw second or third or fourth fiddle to other programs whether other college or pro teams. So while they may happen to have plenty of people within X number of miles, they don't have anyone view their games, so ESPN sees no value.
Real long shot, and not happening. But what about two SEC schools? I'm pretty sure they don't have exit fees, and it sounds like going to 14 teams has been a bigger headache than they expected. Maybe they want go to back to 12? I know it isn't going to happen though, it more than likely wouldn't be Mizzou or aTm that just left us though.
Florida State is who I wanted most. I wouldn't complain about Louisville, Cincinnati, or South Florida. BYU is too far west now. Sticking with ten schools is probably the best thing for now though. Although I thought we were supposed to have a Conference Championship Game as part of the Champions Bowl agreement with the SEC though?
Florida State is who I wanted most. I wouldn't complain about Louisville, Cincinnati, or South Florida. BYU is too far west now. Sticking with ten schools is probably the best thing for now though. Although I thought we were supposed to have a Conference Championship Game as part of the Champions Bowl agreement with the SEC though?
I am just not sure that BYU is a good fit.
I don't like the idea of a 3 time zone conference. Louisville is a great fit. Is Pitt definitely out of the picture? Cincinnati does not make sense in terms of "electronic footprint" expansion. BYU does, but I don't think the Big 12 needs to be that disparate like the Big East.
I don't like the idea of a 3 time zone conference. Louisville is a great fit. Is Pitt definitely out of the picture? Cincinnati does not make sense in terms of "electronic footprint" expansion. BYU does, but I don't think the Big 12 needs to be that disparate like the Big East.
Nice school and avid friendly fans. Rutgers is also the State University of New Jersey. What is the feeling here about lusting after ND and getting played and not offering FSU or Clemson? I for one am very happy those parasitic Dommers are gracing someone else with their presence. I just really think we lost out on adding the above ACC schools. Ten is good but we common folk schools need a few more for security and keeping up with the joneses.
ps nice layout on your board :yes:
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If expansion were necessary, those were the only 5 available, and geography didn't matter, and it was all-in, no "football-independent":
1. UConn
2. BYU
3. Louisville
4. Rutgers
5. Cincy
1. UConn
2. BYU
3. Louisville
4. Rutgers
5. Cincy
Nobody in Chicago gives a **** about college football, and among the tiny minority who do, it's not even Chicago's Big Ten team that they follow, but Notre ******* Dame. When Chicagoans think about DeKalb, they think about the toll booth, not a university. NIU gets us zero, zilch, nada.
Air Force has said thanks but no thanks - while they would like to, they understand they cannot compete long term without scholarship athletes.
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