If ISU could schedule KSU as non-conference, would you want them to?

[Mr.G.Spot]

imo 80% care and 20% dont. See how easy it is to pull numbers out of thin air? lolz you're like a textbook example of false consensus bias

Please reread what I said. I stated "imo" and "can't be proven."

Very weak.

 

[cyclones500]

I don't want to be insulting, but you're the one that isn't quite displaying a grasp of the situation. Belittling others on this point (how many years off, considering the issue under discussion is a rivalry game that literally has never taken a single year off) is a really bad look.

Yes, a few people are starting to split hairs between a this as a rivalry compared to other "bigger/more important/nationally followed" rivalries, when the main focus of poll is partly the longevity factor, which in itself is part of what makes a rivalry.

Series record is 54-50-4. That's about dead-even for a century-plus. Seems to qualify.

KSU had the stretch of dominance that got it more balanced, but that isn't looking at it with a wide lens.

One might argue it has a sort of "futility rival" element to it, each being Big 6/7/8/12 bottom-dweller historically. I don't know if that refutes or enhances the importance, I won't even try to argue either way.

 

[NWICY]

For the 200th time. We are not “stopping” games against KSU. It’s literally a single year and we pick it right back up in 2028.

Bedlam has been stopped for the foreseeable future. KU/MIzzou was stopped for a long time (glad they are playing each other this year). OU/Nebraska has been stopped outside of a game here or there. Actual rivalries that have been stopped.

Bedlam different conferences, can Ku/mizzou different conferences, Ou/nebby Different conferences

ISU/KSU oh wait! Still in the same conference.

 

[ClubCy]

Bedlam different conferences, can Ku/mizzou different conferences, Ou/nebby Different conferences

ISU/KSU oh wait! Still in the same conference.

Still in the same conference and still playing each other in 2025, 2026, and 2028! Which I cannot say the same for those rivalries. See the difference?

 

[harimad]

Still in the same conference and still playing each other in 2025, 2026, and 2028! Which I cannot say the same for those rivalries. See the difference?

I'm pretty sure that everybody here "sees the difference." It's just that it doesn't really mean anything in the context of this discussion.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

I think they care more about beating KU on a personal hatred basis, but view ISU as more important in achieving their goals.

Which is kind of how I feel about Iowa and KSU. Losing to Iowa hurts more, but beating KSU is more important.

Well sure. That could apply to any conference game. The first part you described is the definition of a rivalry.

The second part is not what a rivalry is. It certainly shouldn’t justify being upset about taking 1 year off.

 

[Nor'MidWester]

For the 200th time. We are not “stopping” games against KSU. It’s literally a single year and we pick it right back up in 2028.

Bedlam has been stopped for the foreseeable future. KU/MIzzou was stopped for a long time (glad they are playing each other this year). OU/Nebraska has been stopped outside of a game here or there. Actual rivalries that have been stopped.

Even if it wasn't one of the longest continuously played games in CFB I still wouldn't wan to give up that game. But I guess we're ok giving up one of the few bits of history we have that goes back that far in exchange for playing UCF, Houston, Arizona etc. more. I'm sure that'll fill the seats at JTS. I would think Pollard would push for protected rivalries to get more butts in seats.

Also CFB would be better if all those games you listed were played every year.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Even if it wasn't one of the longest continuously played games in CFB I still wouldn't wan to give up that game. But I guess we're ok giving up one of the few bits of history we have that goes back that far in exchange for playing UCF, Houston, Arizona etc. more. I'm sure that'll fill the seats at JTS. I would think Pollard would push for protected rivalries to get more butts in seats.

Also CFB would be better if all those games you listed were played every year.

KSU’s protected rival is KU.

I feel like people only care about this since “Farmageddon” was coined, which was in 2009. The game has added some juice since then, but people are delusional if they think it is some historic rivalry that must be protected at all costs.

If you went back to 2004 and told me, there’s so much upheaval in CFB we’re not even playing our rivals anymore, I would have responded:

“We’re not playing Iowa? Oh ok we are. We’re not playing Nebraska? Shoot. We’re not playing Missouri? Shoot. We’re not playing KSU for one year? Oh. Who cares”

 

[Cyched]

Even if it wasn't one of the longest continuously played games in CFB I still wouldn't wan to give up that game. But I guess we're ok giving up one of the few bits of history we have that goes back that far in exchange for playing UCF, Houston, Arizona etc. more. I'm sure that'll fill the seats at JTS. I would think Pollard would push for protected rivalries to get more butts in seats.

Also CFB would be better if all those games you listed were played every year.

I think this is the crux of the argument for a lot of people.

I like playing KSU, but always felt like it was forcing it to consider it a rivalry. But I’m also sick of the realignment and greed eviscerating what we love about college sports. It’d be nice to hold on to a bit of history.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Yes, a few people are starting to split hairs between a this as a rivalry compared to other "bigger/more important/nationally followed" rivalries, when the main focus of poll is partly the longevity factor, which in itself is part of what makes a rivalry.

Series record is 54-50-4. That's about dead-even for a century-plus. Seems to qualify.

KSU had the stretch of dominance that got it more balanced, but that isn't looking at it with a wide lens.

One might argue it has a sort of "futility rival" element to it, each being Big 6/7/8/12 bottom-dweller historically. I don't know if that refutes or enhances the importance, I won't even try to argue either way.

Right On! My first ISU-KSU game was in 1989 when K-State was still an easy win.

 

[ClubCy]

I'm pretty sure that everybody here "sees the difference." It's just that it doesn't really mean anything in the context of this discussion.

Not sure if you are intentionally not reading the posts I am directly responding to or what but it’s very clear the people who say the rivalry is ending do not see the difference.

 

[harimad]

I think this is the crux of the argument for a lot of people.

I like playing KSU, but always felt like it was forcing it to consider it a rivalry. But I’m also sick of the realignment and greed eviscerating what we love about college sports. It’d be nice to hold on to a bit of history.

This is my stance as well. I'm tired of greed replacing history and tradition and would like to hold on to what little bit we have left. Television contracts have been more curse than blessing at this point. It's just like everything else in this life. Corporations are taking all the good things in life for the sake of quarterly reports and it's sickening.

KSU every year isn't a hill I'm prepared to die on, but it's close, if only because we conceded every other hill we (CFB as a whole) should have died on so far, and look at where we are now.

 

[theshadow]

The "is it a rivalry" slap-fight aside, who in their right mind would advocate for a harder schedule in this era?

 

[cyclones500]

The "is it a rivalry" slap-fight aside, who in their right mind would advocate for a harder schedule in this era?

Other than Florida, I can't think of any.

(Caveat regarding that: UF leaves the state only 4 times in '25).

 

[wenkeej]

One might argue it has a sort of "futility rival" element to it, each being Big 6/7/8/12 bottom-dweller historically. I don't know if that refutes or enhances the importance, I won't even try to argue either way.

This is where I sort of fall here. Started being Cyclone fan in the mid 90s and the only team we ever truly cared about was Iowa, even though we were losing. Nebraska and Missouri seemed somewhat important historically, but we didn't expect to win. For a handful of years the Baylor game seemed like the most important because it was our only shot of winning.

Never in my time at Iowa State did we ever care about KState other than they were on the schedule.

I hate KState now mainly because of the internet crap from realignment and Tang. Not because they are a rival.

 

[Rogue52]

It is arguably a better rivalry in football than KU vs. KSU.

 

[RustShack]

All both schools had to do was say they wanted to be protected rivals. But they don’t view each other as rivals, just select Iowa State fans do.