If Kansas leaves the Big 12 for the PAC, who do you take back?

[2speedy1]

So how do you see the expanded B10 shaking out? They aren't going to expand beyond 16 as one conference entity and I don't see them jumping two time zones to add 6 and then essentially have two conferences with one of them having the Mountain time zone between them and two existing B10 schools.

As a lot of sports media has speculated, they believe USC and Oregon are the ones looking and driving it. They will see the 100+Mill per year and want in. This will push somewhere around 6 schools most notably the AAU schools to seek membership in the B1G.

This could be the Cali schools and Oregon and Wash, It could be also including Colorado and Utah or Arizona, or some combination. By adding Colorado, and one of the other mountain schools it would actually link their footprint as the B1G bylaws require.

I have been saying this and I have read this in other posts and media people saying that they believe some of the PAC will seek membership in the B1G.
If/when that happens the others will be looking for a place to land, which means depending on who goes the Big 12 could end up with the Arizona schools, Utah, Colorado Wash st, Oregon St. or some combination. I dont know how all that will finally shake out. I just believe at some point here, some of the PAC schools will look at their pay at the bottom and believe they are worth much more, like USC, and see the B1G getting a contract worth way more. I also see the B1G seeing an opportunity to add more bargaining chips to increase their negotiating power, by adding teams like USC Oregon, Wash. plus another time zone etc.

Like I have said this will make the B1G at 20ish teams, the Big 12 at 18is, the SEC at 16 and the ACC at 14, until the SEC decides it wants to be the biggest and pulls from the ACC and probably a couple from the Big 12, then the rest of the ACC will end up in the Big 12 and B1G. Making 3 conferences of 20-24 teams.

 

[becrisgreg]

The YouTuber suggested that Kansas believes its basketball is so good that it will be able to "upgrade" to the PAC or BiG even with their FCS level football team.

Remember the BiG took Nebraska after all, and Kansas' FCS level football program has been to a NY6/BCS bowl game more recently than UNL.

 

[cykadelic2]

As a lot of sports media has speculated, they believe USC and Oregon are the ones looking and driving it. They will see the 100+Mill per year and want in. This will push somewhere around 6 schools most notably the AAU schools to seek membership in the B1G.

Would like to see your links of those reports from sports media folks (Fluguar isn't sports media).

And Barta has publicly stated the new B10 deal will not come close to the $100M per school payout.

 

[2speedy1]

Would like to see your links of those reports from sports media folks (Fluguar isn't sports media).

And Barta has publicly stated the new B10 deal will not come close to the $100M per school payout.

Im not saying it will be 100M initially, my guess is it will be close, but after a few years of growth, I believe it will grow to that.

Plus, part of what I am saying is the B1G in its current form is not worth as much as a B1G with USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash in it. So, if they say it wont be worth the 100+ per right now, I agree, but a few years of projected growth, and/or projected additions of major schools will get them there.

And I think everyone knows that the B1G media deal is going to dwarf the PAC deal even if it is not above 100M to start, and I dont think anyone denies that.

I think everyone knows it is going to be the top 2 and the other 3 real soon. But some major dynamic shifts might actually help the Big 12 not only maintain the 3rd place spot, but solidify its spot and keep the gap from widening from the top 2. Possibly being one of the last 3 power conferences.

Im also not going to try do dig up all the links to things I have read here and there over the last year. Google works, you can try it.

 

[cykadelic2]

Im also not going to try do dig up all the links to things I have read here and there over the last year. Google works, you can try it.

I already had and the only guy I recognized was Finebaum and he is as big a dumbass as Fluguar is.

 

[2speedy1]

I want to also say a year ago I was about as pessimistic as they came. I was wanting out of the Big 12 as much as anyone. Saying we were doomed.

But after the last year and evaluating things, I have realized that right now we are still ok. Things might still end up ok. If my above prediction happens then we are still ok.

I have been one to say if we didnt make the B1G we were doomed. And Ultimately I still think our best option would be to go there, but I dont think that is realistic. Even though it would be so much better in every way.

I just dont believe going to say the PAC or to the ACC at this point is an upgrade. As I think sometime within the near future, at least the next decade those will both implode.

We are still sitting ok, hopefully what I think happens, but who knows this stuff is crazy.

 

[2speedy1]

I already had and the only guy I recognized was Finebaum and he is as big a dumbass as Fluguar is.

LOL I dont listen to anything Finebaum says. Hes just SEC/ESPN propaganda spin doctor. Absolutely cant stand that guy.

 

[rochclone]

Kind of like CW? Just kidding, anyone from SW Iowa can't be all bad.

No CW actually has Big 12 connections. Outside of some contacts at KSU Kurtz doesn’t have any. He thought Campbell was going to TCU. The guy is a total loser who managed to find a niche audience during the pandemic and Big 12 fiasco last summer.
He insinuates that Iowa State cheated during 2020 by not being truthful about Covid. Constantly bags on Campbell. Dude is a real piece of work.

 

[2speedy1]

I already had and the only guy I recognized was Finebaum and he is as big a dumbass as Fluguar is.

I mean just Google "USC to Big 10" it brings up pages of articles.

You know there has been talks and even if some of this stuff has gone quiet, you know those talking behind closed doors are asking the questions what if we went here, what if we added these guys, what is our deal worth.

All of these Rumors might end up being rumors, they might end up being true but nothing happens, or they might be predicting the beginning of the next big chaos event. One has to believe as these contracts all come due, things will heat up.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

As a lot of sports media has speculated, they believe USC and Oregon are the ones looking and driving it. They will see the 100+Mill per year and want in. This will push somewhere around 6 schools most notably the AAU schools to seek membership in the B1G.

This could be the Cali schools and Oregon and Wash, It could be also including Colorado and Utah or Arizona, or some combination. By adding Colorado, and one of the other mountain schools it would actually link their footprint as the B1G bylaws require.

I have been saying this and I have read this in other posts and media people saying that they believe some of the PAC will seek membership in the B1G.
If/when that happens the others will be looking for a place to land, which means depending on who goes the Big 12 could end up with the Arizona schools, Utah, Colorado Wash st, Oregon St. or some combination. I dont know how all that will finally shake out. I just believe at some point here, some of the PAC schools will look at their pay at the bottom and believe they are worth much more, like USC, and see the B1G getting a contract worth way more. I also see the B1G seeing an opportunity to add more bargaining chips to increase their negotiating power, by adding teams like USC Oregon, Wash. plus another time zone etc.

Like I have said this will make the B1G at 20ish teams, the Big 12 at 18is, the SEC at 16 and the ACC at 14, until the SEC decides it wants to be the biggest and pulls from the ACC and probably a couple from the Big 12, then the rest of the ACC will end up in the Big 12 and B1G. Making 3 conferences of 20-24 teams.

A lot to digest here, but lets give it a try.

I am sure that USC and Oregon and maybe a few other schools will be looking to leave, if the money is not there in their upcoming contract, but the question is how many? The B10 is already at 14 schools, taking two to get to 16 could be done, anymore you are no longer a conference, but just schools that are playing under a conference banner. How can you be a conference when you not playing other teams in the same conference more than once or twice every five years?

How are the rating going to be on the West coast when you have USC playing Maryland at 9:00 in the morning, and how much is travel going to cost the West coast teams when they are flying two to three times zones away for half of their games? Not counting the amount of time the kids are missing in class.

Throw in the fact that a lot of people on the West coast could not care about college sports, and these schools many be a bigger drain on a conference like the B10 than what they are really worth.

 

[2speedy1]

A lot to digest here, but lets give it a try.

I am sure that USC and Oregon and maybe a few other schools will be looking to leave, if the money is not there in their upcoming contract, but the question is how many? The B10 is already at 14 schools, taking two to get to 16 could be done, anymore you are no longer a conference, but just schools that are playing under a conference banner. How can you be a conference when you not playing other teams in the same conference more than once or twice every five years?

How are the rating going to be on the West coast when you have USC playing Maryland at 9:00 in the morning, and how much is travel going to cost the West coast teams when they are flying two to three times zones away for half of their games? Not counting the amount of time the kids are missing in class.

Throw in the fact that a lot of people on the West coast could not care about college sports, and these schools many be a bigger drain on a conference like the B10 than what they are really worth.

Im not sure a lot of conferences and schools care about some of this anymore, if it gets them a bigger contract and a bigger payday thats all they care about. But I get it. I also dont think the future will be "Conferences" as we know them. They will be super conferences, managed by one, and negotiated deals by one, scheduled as one. Possibly internal playoffs as the SEC has mentioned. With the champ playing the champ of another conference.
Less management overhead, more media revenue to share.

Also, I have heard this about Maryland or Rutgers to USC, yet everyone still says USC to B1G is not just a rumor. One also has to think it wont be more than a game every couple years at most. How often does Iowa Play Ohio State Now? It would be less for USC/Rutgers, especially in a 20+/- team league.

Finally, people talk about distance between USC and Maryland but in the same breath say its fine to have UCF and BYU in the same conference.

I agree the west coast value is not as great as some claim, because people out their dont care anymore. I actually think more people from the midwest and east care more about west coast FB than those on the actual west coast. But It is partly about the perception those programs have. USC, Oregon, Washington etc, have a lot of program value and a perceived high media value probably greater than what it actually is. Partly because of the media and others always propping them up and historically it was a great football area.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Im not sure a lot of conferences and schools care about some of this anymore, if it gets them a bigger contract and a bigger payday thats all they care about. But I get it. I also dont think the future will be "Conferences" as we know them. They will be super conferences, managed by one, and negotiated deals by one, scheduled as one. Possibly internal playoffs as the SEC has mentioned. With the champ playing the champ of another conference.
Less management overhead, more media revenue to share.

Also, I have heard this about Maryland or Rutgers to USC, yet everyone still says USC to B1G is not just a rumor. One also has to think it wont be more than a game every couple years at most. How often does Iowa Play Ohio State Now? It would be less for USC/Rutgers, especially in a 20+/- team league.

Finally, people talk about distance between USC and Maryland but in the same breath say its fine to have UCF and BYU in the same conference.

I agree the west coast value is not as great as some claim, because people out their dont care anymore. I actually think more people from the midwest and east care more about west coast FB than those on the actual west coast. But It is partly about the perception those programs have. USC, Oregon, Washington etc, have a lot of program value and a perceived high media value probably greater than what it actually is. Partly because of the media and others always propping them up and historically it was a great football area.

If these teams are looking to break away from the Pac 12, then why would everyone just not take the next step and form this so called "super league" partnering with the SEC and the best of the rest and move internally away from the NCAA?

EIU to Maryland or Rutgers is one time zone away, USC to half the B10 is three times away, that is a huge difference. So while its great for the fans of current B10 schools playing once or twice a decade on the West Coast, for the fans of the West Coast teams, half of their conference games will be 2 or 3 time zones away. That in itself is a huge burden on these teams and their fans. Its not like the NFL where there are numerous teams out there, but this will be 2 to 4 at most.

 

[singsing]

Has anyone listened to this guy? Human bobblehead. Has Cambell leaving for every coaching job that comes up, and is stuck in Snyder era Kstate football. Take anything he says as throwing **** at a fan.

 

[AuH2O]

USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington and Arizona St all have more long term revenue generating potential for networks than any B12 school. The last couple of years have not been good for those schools for a variety of reasons (coaching, COVID, etc.) but networks will look at the upside. Oregon had more average viewers per game last season than any projected B12 program. And no B12 program comes close to USC's upside.

Arizona State - No. They are a terrible TV draw. No one cares or watches. The Arizona schools and CU are so overrated on this board. They are horrible TV products.

 

[Cyforce]

Wasn't there a big stink about Utah or BYU not wanting to be in the same conference?

 

[2speedy1]

If these teams are looking to break away from the Pac 12, then why would everyone just not take the next step and form this so called "super league" partnering with the SEC and the best of the rest and move internally away from the NCAA?

EIU to Maryland or Rutgers is one time zone away, USC to half the B10 is three times away, that is a huge difference. So while its great for the fans of current B10 schools playing once or twice a decade on the West Coast, for the fans of the West Coast teams, half of their conference games will be 2 or 3 time zones away. That in itself is a huge burden on these teams and their fans. Its not like the NFL where there are numerous teams out there, but this will be 2 to 4 at most.

I think part of the problem is it is easier for several teams to leave one conference, ie the PAC, and destabilize that conference, and join another. Than it is for Say the SEC to pull the top teams from multiple conferences all at once, ie USC, Oregon, Wash, OhioSt, PennSt, Mich, Clem, FLSt etc and try to destabilize 3+conferences all at once and create a complete new system at the same time. We have seen moves that are stepping stones to the final product. But to say everyone just leave and create one new super conference it wont happen.

Your next point is right EIU to Rutgers is 1 time zone. Sure, but you glossed over my point, How many time zones is WVU to BYU? How many from UCF to BYU? What if the Arizona schools join the Big 12, or something like that, many have said they could see or would like that, how many time zones is UCF to Arizona. It is basically the same thing. Sure 1 more time zone, but in the grand scheme of things, this is where it is headed, and regardless there are conferences dealing with it now. Especially when we are talking at most 1 game a year per sport if not 1 every couple years.

At the point we get to this we will be talking some kind of Pod system or even a East/West Pod crossover. Who knows. In the end if they figure out a way that they can generate more money and make it work it will happen.

I have never thought that the SEC will be able to make 1 super conference on their own, but I do think the SEC and the B1G might try to make 2, Hopefully we can make it 3 if it happens. Our biggest issue will be if we elevate too many G5 schools in the mean time.

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

So is the state of Kansas going to switch to mountain time? Makes no sense

 

[NorthCyd]

So is the state of Kansas going to switch to mountain time? Makes no sense

It makes no sense. The only thing that gives me pause is that AD has made some real head scratching decisions over the years. I just don't know if their decision making is that poor all the way to the top of the university leadership.

 

[HFCS]

So is the state of Kansas going to switch to mountain time? Makes no sense

Big 12 and Pac 12 just merging before we added 4 teams made more sense than the Pac just adding one or two Big 12 teams.

If Texas/OU had committed to Big 12 the Big 12 would have been in position to poach the Pac based on $.

They could have merged to 20 when OuT left (12+8)...then if Big Ten ever tries their big rumor of taking the Pac's top 4 or 6 you still have a strong 14 or 16 team league. This is the same reason I think it was dumb to not have added BYU a decade ago. BYU was the one team out there that easily brought in as much as it took out, so you already have them on board to make the next poaching less difficult. The Big Ten did fine with 11 for many years, it was dumb to not have added them long ago. There was very little down side and it adds stability when **** hits the fan.

 

[Stormin]

I would do anything to move out of this new Big 12.

Mountain West or AAC? Or do you have another viable option?