IOWA vs IOWA STATE

[Bigman38]

depth is only a concern for ISU if someone gets hurt. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who actually watched the BYU game. This isn't football where a MLB can't just move over to OLB. When you have that many guys that can play that many positions it makes the lineups incredibly flexible.

 

[CyJack13]

depth is only a concern for ISU if someone gets hurt. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who actually watched the BYU game. This isn't football where a MLB can't just move over to OLB. When you have that many guys that can play that many positions it makes the lineups incredibly flexible.

Or more likely foul trouble. I think we win unless we get in a situation where two out of Ejim, Niang and Kane get in early foul trouble.

 

[carvers4math]

depth is only a concern for ISU if someone gets hurt. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who actually watched the BYU game. This isn't football where a MLB can't just move over to OLB. When you have that many guys that can play that many positions it makes the lineups incredibly flexible.

Agree with this but despite all of the endless talk of Iowa's depth, losing Marble to injury or fouls would be a huge hit for them too.

 

[Bigman38]

Or more likely foul trouble. I think we win unless we get in a situation where two out of Ejim, Niang and Kane get in early foul trouble.

Posts like this are the reason I think I'm the only one who watched the BYU game. It took 3 starters fouling out before the lineup took a meaningful hit.

 

[Cydkar]

Or more likely foul trouble. I think we win unless we get in a situation where two out of Ejim, Niang and Kane get in early foul trouble.

My only concern...period.

 

[CyJack13]

Posts like this are the reason I think I'm the only one who watched the BYU game. It took 3 starters fouling out before the lineup took a meaningful hit.

Against BYU Ejim played 28 minutes, Hogue played 33, Niang 36, Kane 28. Ejim played played 13 minutes against Iowa last year, Iowa also has 3 players who rank in the top 500 in fouls drawn per minute, BYU had one. Early foul trouble could completely the game.

 

[carvers4math]

My only concern...period.

Hoping Hilton floor can withstand White's flopping.

 

[Bigman38]

Against BYU Ejim played 28 minutes, Hogue played 33, Niang 36, Kane 28. Ejim played played 13 minutes against Iowa last year, Iowa also has 3 players who rank in the top 500 in fouls drawn per minute, BYU had one. Early foul trouble could completely the game.

Ok, I'll repeat myself since it's obviously not sinking in. It took 3 starters fouling out before the line up took a meaningful hit. I don't give a **** what time it happened.

Early foul trouble is a problem,every team everywhere can say that. It's not more of a problem for ISU than it is for the other 99% of basketball teams. The lineup is flexible enough that they will adjust personnel, Kane or Houge play the 4 with Long & Morris playing up top, and they will be fine. Depth is not a problem unless someone gets hurt, period.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Hoping Hilton floor can withstand White's flopping.

This is my main concern heading into the game. With the ISU crowd rocking and Hilton Magic in full effect the floor may be in a weakened condition from the crowd noise causing it to shake. Will some epic Ginger flops damage the floor?

 

[CyJack13]

Ok, I'll repeat myself since it's obviously not sinking in. It took 3 starters fouling out before the line up took a meaningful hit. I don't give a **** what time it happened.

Early foul trouble is a problem,every team everywhere can say that. It's not more of a problem for ISU than it is for the other 99% of basketball teams. The lineup is flexible enough that they will adjust personnel, Kane or Houge play the 4 with Long & Morris playing up top, and they will be fine. Depth is not a problem unless someone gets hurt, period.

How many minutes did we play in the BYU game without at least two of the Ejim, Kane, Niang trio on the floor?

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Ok, I'll repeat myself since it's obviously not sinking in. It took 3 starters fouling out before the line up took a meaningful hit. I don't give a **** what time it happened.

Early foul trouble is a problem,every team everywhere can say that. It's not more of a problem for ISU than it is for the other 99% of basketball teams. The lineup is flexible enough that they will adjust personnel, Kane or Houge play the 4 with Long & Morris playing up top, and they will be fine. Depth is not a problem unless someone gets hurt, period.

This. It is as if some people forget that the Mayor is one of the best coaches in the country when it comes to adjusting personnel and creating mismatches. He doesn't just create mismatches though... he exploits the hell out of them. Keep in mind he will be facing off against a coach that in their last game had a player play extremely well in the 1st half against Notre Dame and he didn't play him at all in the 2nd half. His reasoning... "I forgot to put him in the game."

In a battle of strategy and coaching the Mayor has a HUGE advantage.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

How many minutes did we play in the BYU game without at least two of the Ejim, Kane, Niang trio on the floor?

How did ISU play the other night when Kane and Niang seemingly took the night off?

 

[Snyder21]

You make some good points,especially in points 1 and 2, but 3 is where we don't agree. I'm not saying we don't have depth, I'm saying we don't have quality depth. We only played 7 against Michigan, and 9 against BYU although Bluford played less than a minute. When we play Iowa we are probably only going to go 8 deep with Morris, Naz, and Edozie coming off the bench. Players like Gibson, KJ, and SDW are not going to play against Iowa, but against teams like UMKC and Auburn they will. People need to look at our depth against Michigan and BYU, because that is caliber of team Iowa is. The depth were used against UMKC and Auburn doesn't matter. I said Villanova and Notre Dame were similar in us in that they spread the floor with a lot of good shooters and guards. I never said they were identical to us. Do they have bigs that can step out and shoot? No. But we don't have 6-10 posts that can score around the rim like they do.

Fred likes what he sees out of SDW and his role is only going to increase. He will play against Iowa.

We may not have any 6'10 goofs but we have athletic and strong forwards who I would take against most front courts, including Iowa's.

Iowa's 6'10 posts-
Woody: 5ppg, 3.6 rpg
Gabriel: 6.8ppg, 5.7rpg
Meyer: 1.2 ppg, 3 rpg

Granted they have some smaller forwards who make up for some of these numbers (White, Uthoff) but I wouldn't bet against Ejim, Niang, and Hogue (Who all average over 11ppg). Btw Kane averages 7.5 boards per game and scores around the rim more than most bigs.

 

[siklon]

Anyone else think Iowa is just a stepping stone for Fran? I mean he is decent coach for sure. I just have a feeling that if he has a couple "successful" years at Iowa he is going to jump ship for a better program. Like maybe a New Mexico or something...

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Fred likes what he sees out of SDW and his role is only going to increase. He will play against Iowa.

We may not have any 6'10 goofs but we have athletic and strong forwards who I would take against most front courts, including Iowa's.

Iowa's 6'10 posts-
Woody: 5ppg, 3.6 rpg
Gabriel: 6.8ppg, 5.7rpg
Meyer: 1.2 ppg, 3 rpg

Granted they have some smaller forwards who make up for some of these numbers (White, Uthoff) but I wouldn't bet against Ejim, Niang, and Hogue (Who all average over 11ppg). Btw Kane averages 7.5 boards per game and scores around the rim more than most bigs.

Bingo. I'll take a smaller, more athletic, and highly skilled guy in the post... oh... who can also step outside and knock down 3's over a taller player that isn't nearly as athletic or nearly as skilled.

Niang and Ejim will be by far the two most skilled post players on the floor next Friday night. Hogue... he might just be the most athletic guy in the post that will play next Friday night as well. That one is up for debate though... because Ejim can give Hogue a run for his money in the athleticism category. Anybody think that Woodbury or White can match either of them in the post skills or athleticism categories? Not a chance.

 

[Cydkar]

Ok, I'll repeat myself since it's obviously not sinking in. It took 3 starters fouling out before the line up took a meaningful hit. I don't give a **** what time it happened.

Early foul trouble is a problem,every team everywhere can say that. It's not more of a problem for ISU than it is for the other 99% of basketball teams. The lineup is flexible enough that they will adjust personnel, Kane or Houge play the 4 with Long & Morris playing up top, and they will be fine. Depth is not a problem unless someone gets hurt, period.

1 player fouling out will be meaningful no matter how loud you yell it. It's not just fouling out it's sitting extended minutes with foul trouble. Either way you are out of the game.

Iowa could get in foul trouble as well. It isn't a one-way street. It can be a factor without a single person fouling out.

 

[VeloClone]

1 player fouling out will be meaningful no matter how loud you yell it. It's not just fouling out it's sitting extended minutes with foul trouble. Either way you are out of the game.

Iowa could get in foul trouble as well. It isn't a one-way street. It can be a factor without a single person fouling out.

Agreed. Think about how this game could be affected if Marble picks up two quick ones to start the game or gets his 3rd and 4th early in the second half. What other defender on Iowa's roster can legitimately keep up with Kane?

 

[Cyclonestate78]

1 player fouling out will be meaningful no matter how loud you yell it. It's not just fouling out it's sitting extended minutes with foul trouble. Either way you are out of the game.

Iowa could get in foul trouble as well. It isn't a one-way street. It can be a factor without a single person fouling out.

People are worried about ISU getting in foul trouble but if you take a look at the numbers this season ISU has done a solid job of not fouling.

Kane has played 160 minutes this year and has committed 10 fouls. 1 foul every 16 minutes played.
Ejim has played 103 minutes this year and has committed 11 fouls. 1 foul every 9.37 minutes played.
Hogue has played 167 minutes this year and has committed 14 fouls. 1 foul every 11.93 minutes played.
Niang has played 138 minutes this year and has committed 19 fouls. 1 foul every 7.27 minutes played.
Long has played 123 minutes this year and has committed 7 fouls. 1 foul every 17.58 minutes played.
Thomas has played 166 minutes this year and has committed 9 fouls. 1 foul every 18.45 minutes played.
Morris has played 136 minutes this year and has committed 8 fouls. 1 foul every 17 minutes played.

 

[Gitwitit]

Bingo. I'll take a smaller, more athletic, and highly skilled guy in the post... oh... who can also step outside and knock down 3's over a taller player that isn't nearly as athletic or nearly as skilled.

Niang and Ejim will be by far the two most skilled post players on the floor next Friday night. Hogue... he might just be the most athletic guy in the post that will play next Friday night as well. That one is up for debate though... because Ejim can give Hogue a run for his money in the athleticism category. Anybody think that Woodbury or White can match either of them in the post skills or athleticism categories? Not a chance.

How did Ejim's athleticism do for him against White last year? White is one of the best in the country at getting to the free throw line and he used that against Ejim last year.

 

[VeloClone]

How did Ejim's athleticism do for him against White last year? White is one of the best in the country at getting to the free throw line and he used that against Ejim last year.

White standing around at the free throw line isn't going to do him much good while Ejim is dunking the ball.

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