Is it time to move on from Manning??
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My post history is pretty negative regarding Manning, but I've been pleasantly surprised with the approach this year. Obviously you'd rather have Kolar and Allen on the roster than not but I do think not having multiple NFL (or close) TEs is helping the offense schematically from a play calling perspective. Sorta same with Breece, you'd obviously prefer to have that kind of talent on your team but so far, I think he's doing a better job on early downs by looking to throw more.
We'll see more as the year goes on, but promising stuff so far given the talent lost to the NFL between last and this season.
I couldn't watch the game, so I can't speak to specific play calls. But it shouldn't be too surprising that a team having success with short passes against a bend but don't break defense is going to struggle more in the red zone. Like Iowa State's bend but don't break defense from early in the Campbell era, it becomes much more difficult for the offense when the field compresses. If the defense doesn't have to worry about the big plays any more, those runs and short passes are easier to stop.
Which better OC would you get compared to manning, who is willing to come to ISU for around a Mil a year.
Haha! Your theory doesn't make any sense. If that was the case, why weren't we in shotgun when we had the ball at the half yard line in our own territory. Manning pretty much admitted in that moment that it's safer to do a sneak to get a yard while not losing yardage against a strong defense. By proxy, if that logic takes precedent then we should be ******* QB sneaking every time we have less than a yard to go.
That was the worst call of the day by far. In addition, we almost DIDN'T get a first down in our last drive of the day because we called a timeout that took a QB sneak 1st down off the board to go back to shotgun and then almost NOT get it on the subsequent play (1chain length). Those 2 situations prove a QB sneak is the way to go.
If we need a new OC coach just needs to take one of the expert posters from this thread as they know more about the game and the players abilities then the current staff.
They do not contradict each other. It is a play designed for 1 yard. I am saying that it should be used to score a TD from inside the 1. It is a waste of a down to all but guarantee 2nd and 9 from the 2. We were bailed out by an offsides penalty (if I remember correctly).
I had issues last year with Manning, but this year I’ve been pretty happy so far. We have been throwing the ball so much more and that 12 min drive will go down in cyhawk lore. I think a lot of it comes down to our improved OL imo. I think we had a weak one in past years that really hamstringed some play calling. I use to complain that we rarely throw it on 1st down but this year it almost seems like we throw to set up the run more often. I much prefer to throw then run instead of run then throw.
The two yard dump passes were so predictable and never worked yesterday. That was my biggest frustration. Dekkers can run, but he's very hesitant before he starts to run that it won't give us more than a couple of yards. Other than that, the play calling wasn't horrible
Hunter seems to always look to bounce outside instead of getting upfield and taking what is there. That is one area where he’s well behind Purdy at this point in his career.
Get out. You don't bring in analytics to back up your argument when I have rock solid objective opinion. Noob.
Dekkers got at least 2 yards and now they’re starting second down with the QB and RB just inside the goal line as opposed to 5 yards deep in the end zone. As aggressively as Iowa plays I’d say there’s a 50/50 chance of a safety on a typical running play. QB sneak is a fundamental play in that situation and there is certainly nothing wrong with it. It started a 99 yard drive. The offside came right after that play.
I wasn't against the designed runs, but running to the short side of the field is tough. Plus, Hunter was hesitant, he should have planted and cut inside couple of times and should have gained yardage. I'm sure they will show him that on the film and he will read it better in the future.
Couldn't agree more. He always had to run directly behind Rus and that slows him down too much. The dude is fairly fast. Not sure why he doesn't just take off. I do like how he was very good at dodging the d line in the pocket.
I watched other QBs do similar plays yesterday and they are patient to a point, they seem to know when to take off. Hopefully Hunter learns to make his move up field a little earlier, especially is there looks like a lot of traffic further to the outside.
The other thing that Manning did very well is not to fall into the trap that Parker's defense always sets. They try to funnel everything into the middle including baiting you into thinking that you can throw intermediate to deep routes over the middle. They have multiple defenders who close on these throws to either jump the route or get a hand on the ball to create a tipped ball interception opportunity. Manning relied on Dekker's arm strength to attack Iowa with out routes.
I'm not as much on the QB sneak bandwagon as many are for two reasons. One is that it is one of the goal line defense's primary focuses. They stack multiple bigs who are hard to move over the ball and usually have at least one unblocked LB and safety ready to stuff the point of attack. The other reason is that you don't go under center enough to be good at it. It's like someone who always drives an automatic car deciding to drive a stick shift in heavy stop and go traffic. We saw this in a game last year when Purdy tried to go under center. The snap was botched and a scoring opportunity was wasted.
I’m talking specifically about a clearly disorganized play on the half yard line where we went out of the shotgun and a wildcat formation in first down inside the 10.
I agree with this. My only criticism of Dekkers is he needs to be more decisive when he runs. Also on the last touchdown drive (99yd dr) Manning called the perfect call of QB lead draw. Had Hunter followed his block by the RB he would have scored but he tried to go outside. Either way I love the kid. He is going to do great things in the future and everything like fade away throws and running are correctable.
