Is your trust in CMC lost to fix this offense in 2023 and beyond?

[jbhtexas]

Campbell is in his 7th year, and ISU has the worst scoring offense in Big 12 conference play by over a TD/game...that kind of spread is crazy. If it matters, ISU is also the worst in yds/game offense in conference play as well. In the meantime, the ISU defense is at the top of both categories in conference play.

Iowa State doesn't play in a conference where you can stink at offense and hope to do well. ISU would be at or near the bottom in conference scoring in the other four P5s as well, but there would only be a couple of points spread with the other offense bottom feeders, so there is a chance to eek out a few conference wins with a terrible offense/great defense (i.e. Iowa) in the other P5s, but not in the Big 12.

On the offense side, Campbell needs to change his offensive strategy, from scoring strategy to teaching fundamentals to player development to preparation, or he needs to take a job in another conference. The enemy recruiters are going to be all over this, and ISU is not going to get the NFL-caliber running back and QB needed (to cover up the other deficiencies on offense) that Campbell got when he was shiny and new.

 

[20eyes]

Campbell is in his 7th year, and ISU has the worst scoring offense in Big 12 conference play by over a TD/game...that kind of spread is crazy. If it matters, ISU is also the worst in yds/game offense in conference play as well. In the meantime, the ISU defense is at the top of both categories in conference play.

Iowa State doesn't play in a conference where you can stink at offense and hope to do well. ISU would be at or near the bottom in conference scoring in the other four P5s as well, but there would only be a couple of points spread with the other offense bottom feeders, so there is a chance to eek out a few conference wins with a terrible offense/great defense (i.e. Iowa) in the other P5s, but not in the Big 12.

On the offense side, Campbell needs to change his offensive strategy, from scoring strategy to teaching fundamentals to player development to preparation, or he needs to take a job in another conference. The enemy recruiters are going to be all over this, and ISU is not going to get the NFL-caliber running back and QB needed to cover up the other deficiencies that Campbell got when he was shiny and new.

If, by enemy recruiters you mean programs that will try to hire Jon Heacock and promise not to squander his talent then I whole-heartedly agree...

 

[jbhtexas]

If, by enemy recruiters you mean programs that will try to hire Jon Heacock and promise not to squander his talent then I whole-heartedly agree...

Well...that too...

 

[CascadeClone]

It's Monday. Shouldn't everyone be sober now?

Not with THAT attitude!

 

[3TrueFans]

Yeah, the peak is passed. Nobody wants to admit that apparently besides a couple of us.

Absent an NFL QB, this current staff will be lucky to reach .500.

Their playcalling is predictable, as is their strategy: keep it close 1st half, make adjustments and take risks only if necessary in the second half. Slow it down and call a run play after a big play. Don't force turnovers, but instead bend but don't break.

Teams looked at the analytics and now have adjusted how they play ISU.

Gundy had to laugh that the game was so close that he risked injury by putting Sanders in to get the win. Saw that coming. You did too.

Anytime a coach decides to go after the fans, that is a HUGE red flag. Well, I noticed, and I will gladly continue to criticize St. Matt for looking lost during the game in his 7th year at ISU, and after he has pocketed millions.

The idea that because we have one bad season means we’ve peaked and will never be good again is laughable. Take a step off the ledge, in either direction.

 

[Cyclonepride]

It's also combination that doesn't get you to the Big 12 Championship game most years...

Having never seen ISU at that kind of place in all my long years as a fan (until Campbell did it), I guess that argument isn't particularly compelling to me.

 

[CoKane]

I think we'll fire some assistants for sure. I think Manning stays. Will it work? Who knows.

 

[CoKane]

o how would some of you feel if we executed the called plays and we were sitting at 7-3 instead of where we are at? How many people would you want fired then? Because most of you wouldn’t see our deficiencies at 7-3 because you’d be too happy.

I feel like people who actually pay attention to the games would still see that the offense isn't suited to our players and that plays make no sense. We'd all just be praising the defense more for saving the game and then the ragers in the fanbase would be crying that anyone dare question Campbell or Manning just like we are right now.

Good OCs don't call the dumb **** we saw on 4th down last night. No matter how many games you win.

People here have been on Manning's ass for like 4 years for stupid playcalls and dumb plays. Some of yall only took notice to what the rest of us have been saying forever because we're bad now. We're really gonna forget about stuff like the double pass trick play last year? It's been like this for a while

 

[jbhtexas]

Having never seen ISU at that kind of place in all my long years as a fan (until Campbell did it), I guess that argument isn't particularly compelling to me.

Don't you want to see ISU in that kind of place? I do....

 

[CoKane]

Don't you want to see ISU in that kind of place? I do....

I'm almost at the point(not saying this is you Pride, btw) that I want to just let the olds all sip their beers and go nuts for the Liberty Bowl. They're too far gone at this point. The rest of us in 2022 can actually look at what's in front of us and see the best opportunity to finally have Iowa State football become something and hope for it to do just that.

 

[joefrog]

I think we'll fire some assistants for sure. I think Manning stays. Will it work? Who knows.

Absent Manning leaving too, I don't see much chance for improvement.

New OC and his staff? And a new, exciting system?

That sells.

Limited changes in staff? Why would another year on the calendar be assumed to make things better? Another year learning a simple, ineffective, and predictable system with almost certainly worse talent than 2021 doesn't give much hope for even being .500.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Don't you want to see ISU in that kind of place? I do....

Of course I do, but we're not in that place yet, nor in a place where we're beyond an off year. Campbell gives us a chance to be.

 

[CoKane]

Absent Manning leaving too, I don't see much chance for improvement.

New OC and his staff? And a new, exciting system?

That sells.

Limited changes in staff? Why would another year on the calendar be assumed to make things better? Another year learning a simple, ineffective, and predictable system with almost certainly worse talent than 2021 doesn't give much hope for even being .500.

I don't think we need to go full reboot. Playing 1920s offense is somehow almost working already. It sucks, I agree, but if we can find a way to make it work while the defense stays elite I'll take it.

If we start developing players again on that side of that ball we might be able to overcome even Mannings dumb ass play calls. We almost do it with a horrific offense. But dudes stopped developing outside of a few natural born killers. Guys like the entire O-line, Noel, Shaw, Wilson, Dean, etc come in to some hype and then remain the same exact player their entire time here. If we developed guys like we did the defense we'd be in a better spot

Like I had this fact in other threads before, but Myles Purchase and Beau Fryler came in the same class as Deon Silas and Noel. The first 2 have developed a ton. The 2nd 2 haven't at all

Not better than say, doing what you want to do, but we're not doing that under Campbell, so the best we can hope for is to hire someone who does understand playing football like that and get assistants who can develop players better on the offense.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Kinda surprised no one called out the OP for putting Saban and Gundy in the same sentence when talking greatest cfb coaches.

 

[carvers4math]

Kinda surprised no one called out the OP for putting Saban and Gundy in the same sentence when talking greatest cfb coaches.

The only correlation I see is Saban got another natty with us beating Grundy

 

[CycloneVet]

Absent Manning leaving too, I don't see much chance for improvement.

New OC and his staff? And a new, exciting system?

That sells.

Limited changes in staff? Why would another year on the calendar be assumed to make things better? Another year learning a simple, ineffective, and predictable system with almost certainly worse talent than 2021 doesn't give much hope for even being .500.

You are still an idiot I see

 

[Frak]

What the what. Start by NOT LINING UP IN SHOTGUN ON 3RD/4TH AND INCHES. I'm not talking about launching nukes from orbit. There are dozens of things right now that are broken, correctable, and have not changed, despite the fact that we are losing game after game.

I agree. At least make that change. They went under center against WV and it worked. The next week, it's back to shotgun. I don't understand what the philosophy is there unless it is just being stubborn and sticking it to fans who have been complaining about it for years now.

 

[bozclone]

I’m confident that CMC will do what he feels will be best for the program going forward. He knows details about the issues with the offense we don’t know. I’m also confident he won’t make changes just to satisfy public opinion, they will be based on what he believes are required.

 

[Frak]

Going to wait to see what the offseason holds before taking a stance here. At this point in the season with 2 games left Matt is not going to make a change now nor does he need to say what his plans are in the offseason as doing any of that now is not going make any immediate impacts. Wait until the season is over and we'll see what happens. Now if we stand pat with the staff we have now and not make any kind of attempts to fix what is wrong then I will have some concerns going into next season. I'm pretty much done with Manning after watching our offense this season and also think it is time for Matt to actually hire a coach for special teams once and for all. For a coach that preaches we have to "win in the margins" we've done nothing but lose in the margins most games and the glaring issues are the offense, offensive line, and special teams most of the time. Our defense may be the best in school history this year and I can't remember a time this season where I was disappointed with their play as they have been very consistent and play with discipline so have no concerns with the coaching being done on that side of the ball.

I do feel like special teams has improved as the season has went on. At this point, they're not a total liability. Not great, but not horrible either. To me, you should never have a FR P and a FR K in the same season. Structure your recruiting to avoid that at all costs. You have to stagger those two positions or you're setting yourself up to fail.

 

[RustShack]

It’s laughable people think CMC won’t make changes to his staff after a season like this.