Is your trust in CMC lost to fix this offense in 2023 and beyond?

[AuH2O]

I'm not sure why everybody jumps to conclusions about what Campbell will or will not do in terms of staffing changes. The first (and probably only) offseason where he really had anything that I wouldn't even call heat, but an eye opener was after the Notre Dame game in the bowl. He made a tough decision and made a change.

Campbell isn't dumb. I'm sure he has a good idea how long Heacock will continue to coach, and knows that's a huge factor in determining how long the window is to do something special at ISU and build a program to the level he wants.

He's not going to do or say anything during the season. Nobody likes to hear coach speak, but expecting anything else from him is dumb, especially while the season is still going on.

 

[MartyFine]

Very depressing article at The Athletic today regarding how great ISU's D has been this season, and the great overall records of teams with top-10 stop rate defenses over the last several years.

 

[CoachHines3]

 

[t-noah]

No. He'll get his chance to, but I'll believe it when I see it.

This where I am at. Here's hoping. We all (I think) want Matt to succeed.

 

[3TrueFans]

Yeah but if we swapped in Tennessee's offense and Georgia's defense we'd be first!

 

[CoKane]

Not going to lie, I was very underwhelmed by his response. All coach speak. The only possible thing is maybe he knows staff changes are needed at the end of the season but doesn’t even want to hint at them until the season is over.

Why does it sound like the dude filming was hiding in the bushes outside the press conference

 

[Lewey24]

A completely fair perspective, honestly. But if we look around the entire CFB landscape are there a high percentage of teams making significant in-season adjustments? What are the biggest adjustments we as fans from our offense in a season? Actual personnel changes (e.g. Purdy becoming QB) have the highest variability, but that doesn't appear to be in the cards anywhere.

So then what?

Jon Heacock implemented a completely new defensive scheme in a bye week before we played Texas. That was his successful and still used 3-3-5 defense. So yes, in-season adjustments can and do happen with the right coaching.

 

[cyfan92]

We either have to significantly increase recruiting or minor changes to philosophy.

Getting marginally more explosive with a deep passing game would get this program into a sustainable top 1/2 position of the new Big 12 annually.

 

[simply1]

Very depressing article at The Athletic today regarding how great ISU's D has been this season, and the great overall records of teams with top-10 stop rate defenses over the last several years.

Yeah

Over those five seasons, only one of the 50 teams did not finish with a winning record. Unsurprisingly, that team came from the COVID-19-altered 2020 season. Air Forcehad the fifth-best stop rate that year but had several games canceled and finished 3-3. Penn State did go 7-6 last season with the No. 6 defense in stop rate. Beyond those few exceptions, though, the teams with the very best stop rates are typically hard to beat.

Well, it’s time to talk about the 2022 Iowa State defense.

 

[joefrog]

This where I am at. Here's hoping. We all (I think) want Matt to succeed.

I want Matt to succeed, but I also hoped they would use the off week to reboot and revamp the offense for a pitiful Oklahoma defense. He didn't.

It doesn't even look like ISU can develop plays where due to routes and spacing, somebody is almost guaranteed to be open. Or go to run plays where you should at least have a good lane.

I've seen enough to know things aren't changing with Manning and Company. So CMC can be a man and replace the offensive staff, almost all of them, or he can hit the road to.

As good as our defense is, our opponents look better due to our ineptitude.

 

[rochclone]

We'll see.

No firings after the end of the season?

Nope, not gonna see any improvement.

Teams figured CampbellBall out last year.

They have tons of data on ISU, know our tendencies, and can recognize plays from personnel and formation.

We're a dream to gameplan against as a defensive coordinator.

ISU gets a big play, 20 plus yards. Next play? LOL. Slow it down, then do a run. Like 90% of the time.

I feel awful for Dekkers, he's got talent.

This team is poorly coached on offense, and has been since CMC arrived. False starts, bad execution, predictable playcalling, poor line play.

We should be getting ready to play in our 3rd straight CCG with the talent we have had and where the conference is talent wise.

So our talent level which ranks 7th in the conference every year in recruiting rankings has been developed to the point we should be playing in our 3rd straight CCG. That is amazing.

 

[t-noah]

I want Matt to succeed, but I also hoped they would use the off week to reboot and revamp the offense for a pitiful Oklahoma defense. He didn't.

It doesn't even look like ISU can develop plays where due to routes and spacing, somebody is almost guaranteed to be open. Or go to run plays where you should at least have a good lane.

I've seen enough to know things aren't changing with Manning and Company. So CMC can be a man and replace the offensive staff, almost all of them, or he can hit the road to.

As good as our defense is, our opponents look better due to our ineptitude.

I appreciate your viewpoint, I do.

At this point, I think we've heard the dissension in the fanbase, myself included. It might be good to take a break from the repeated criticisms, which we've all heard now. Let's see what happens.

I think any new criticism of the offense should be based upon the next 2 games, and be fairly brief. We could all use a rest.

If things are about where they are at this time next season, or even at the beginning of the season (no clear change), I would expect the fan criticism to pick up, and even increase with most of us.

 

[StLouisClone]

In our last 11 Big 12 games dating back to last year's 30-7 win over Texas, ISU has outscored its opponents 260-230. That's an average score of 24-21. Yet our record is only 3-8.

 

[superiorcyclone]

I don't think Hannika is poor. He's actually surprised me and has 3 td's this year. Tyler Moore can be a player and looks the part.

WR is actually the bigger concern for me. We need new guys to really step up next year like Jason Essex and Greg Gaines. Noel to me is a disappointment and would like to see him make a huge jump. Time to get a transfer WR.

The primary job of a Tight End is to block. I think we are missing the blocking from that position. Allen was incredible, and Kolar was a good enough blocker to make it to the NFL. When we go power we tend to put in Stevo Klotz. That said, we are then limited by not having tight ends on the field for play action. The receivers just do not seem to block well and we have too many drops, X excluded. We also do not have the guys that will go up in man coverage and either make a catch or prevent the int. Frustrating. My two cents.

 

[Cloneman89]

I have been critical and then realized if CMC does nothing we will see same next year. If makes changes then we will hope for better. Either way what I think and want is irrelevant as coaches do not care what fans think! We are the rubes they feed drivel after each game - win or lose! Our function is to attend games, spend money, donate more money and then go watch 1 more game if available at end of season . The game is to shut up and spend your money! Not any of mine this year. Been on this train since 1972.

 

[Cloned4Life]

It doesn't even look like ISU can develop plays where due to routes and spacing, somebody is almost guaranteed to be open. Or go to run plays where you should at least have a good lane.

This right here. Ya watch enough college football and its obvious that competent offenses are "scheming" players open.

One vivid example, against a lower-level team - Ohio, 2nd quarter, 4th and 2 right before half time - Dekkers to Shaw for a 15 yard touchdown. The play design was beautiful. Shaw was literally schemed WIDE open with well-executed crossing routes and perfect timing. It was brilliant.

I can recall very few instances of this type of thing happening in conference play. It feels like we don't even run plays that have a thought or a scheme or a plan behind them. I know they probably do, but that's even worse!

 

[ripvdub]

I love shallow crossing patterns, it's a key to my 8 straight ncaa championships in ncaa. But you gotta throw it deep to keep honest too. Teams know we're not going to throw more than 10 yards right now.

 

[CapnCy]

I love shallow crossing patterns, it's a key to my 8 straight ncaa championships in ncaa. But you gotta throw it deep to keep honest too. Teams know we're not going to throw more than 10 yards right now.

Yeah, that's what has kind of baffled me. I mean, you'd think if even 2-3, 25-40 yard passes a game and you'd probably draw a PI at least once, too.

 

[joefrog]

This right here. Ya watch enough college football and its obvious that competent offenses are "scheming" players open.

One vivid example, against a lower-level team - Ohio, 2nd quarter, 4th and 2 right before half time - Dekkers to Shaw for a 15 yard touchdown. The play design was beautiful. Shaw was literally schemed WIDE open with well-executed crossing routes and perfect timing. It was brilliant.

I can recall very few instances of this type of thing happening in conference play. It feels like we don't even run plays that have a thought or a scheme or a plan behind them. I know they probably do, but that's even worse!

This.

I don't know what our coaches are trying to do, or worse what they THINK they are trying to do.

But to an average fan, if you watch enough football, you see play designs that just work, and you can tell which first and second options are almost guaranteed to be open.

Curious, what do you think ISU's best 2 pt conversion play is?

 

[CoKane]

I love shallow crossing patterns, it's a key to my 8 straight ncaa championships in ncaa. But you gotta throw it deep to keep honest too. Teams know we're not going to throw more than 10 yards right now.

Bro 4 verts or die.