Given all the openings this year, probably a prudent decision. Plus you save a year of buyout.
Seems the staff has finally figured out more of a ball control offense, which gives ISU a punchers chance.
Still need another strong recruiter.
ISU Football & Unrealistic Expectations
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Given all the openings this year, probably a prudent decision. Plus you save a year of buyout.
Seems the staff has finally figured out more of a ball control offense, which gives ISU a punchers chance.
Still need another strong recruiter.
I got this impression from the pregame against Oki St. Pollard was just loving the first half against OU...even though we lost the first half and were crushed overall. Looking at things objectively...I called the Texas game. Team gets a rallying call after firing a coach, a team always steps up for a backup QB starting and the Texas player game lockerroom material. Against Baylor it was a monsoon, no way I would put money on that game for either side. We were slaughtered by OU, no news there. Okie St was in the classic sandwich game. They just crushed a top 10 TCU team, travel to Ames the following week against a bad team and then have to play a top 10 Baylor team the following week. I watch games with more than a rooting interest shall we say so these trends are easy to spot if you go with your head and not your heart. Heck Lee Sterling from Paramount Sports called the Okie St game.
This just feels like McDermott all over again. So many people realized he was not the guy but there were a few here that could not let go, even Pollard wanted to keep him. A normal school would have let RHoads go after 2014 after suffering back to back losses to FCS schools. Not ISU...we are lovable losers. I wonder if we cut of candidates from coming here because they are so competitive and they cannot stand the losing that the AD and fanbase has become accustomed to and seems willing to accept.
Those of you with Rhoads' back or just accepting what Pollard does, how will you feel with 4-8 next year and tons more talent gone? Or will you feel the same as this year because he should have been gone after last season?
I have been told repeatedly that CPR is a terrible recruiter. Therefore it is not possible to have tons of talent to even lose.
It feels more like DMac in 1999 honestly.
No it doesn't. The 2000 team played two ranked opponents all year and we got blown out in both.
Next year we will likely play a minimum of 5 ranked teams. The two schedules are no where close.
I am talking about the 1999 team. 4-7 record. And it was weak also. Yet we kept DMac.
The 1999 Iowa State Cyclones football team represented Iowa State University during the 1999 NCAA Division I-A football season. They played their home games at Jack Trice Stadium in Ames, Iowa. They participated as members of the Big 12 Conference in the North Division. The team was coached by head coach Dan McCarney.
[h=2]Schedule[edit][/h]
| Date | Time | Opponent | Site | TV | Result | Attendance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| September 2 | 7:00 PM | Indiana State* | Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA | W 33–7 | 33,936 | |
| September 11 | 6:00 PM | Iowa* | Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA (Battle for the Cy-Hawk Trophy) | FSN | W 17–10 | 50,402 |
| September 18 | 9:00 PM | at UNLV* | Sam Boyd Stadium • Whitney, NV | W 24–0 | 26,176 | |
| September 25 | 11:30 AM | #15 Kansas State | Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA | FSN | L 28–35 | 40,057 |
| October 9 | 6:00 PM | at #4 Nebraska | Memorial Stadium • Lincoln, NE | FSN | L 14–42 | 77,743 |
| October 16 | 6:00 PM | at Missouri | Faurot Field • Columbia, MO (Battle for the Telephone Trophy) | FSN | W 24–21 | 61,052 |
| October 23 | 1:00 PM | Colorado | Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA | L 12–16 | 34,892 | |
| October 30 | 11:30 AM | #12 Texas
| Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA | FSN | L 41–44 | 37,218 |
| November 6 | 1:00 PM | at Texas Tech | Jones Stadium • Lubbock, TX | L 16–28 | 41,691 | |
| November 13 | 1:00 PM | Oklahoma | Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA | L 10–31 | 37,073 | |
| November 20 | 1:00 PM | at Kansas | Memorial Stadium • Lawrence, KS | L 28–31 | 27,000 | |
| *Non-conference game. [SUP]
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The reason for has been kept is, look at that 1999 attendance totals. 50k for Iowa, we get that at basically every game now. The donors and tickets sales, mostly large donors, decide who coaches. So ask them.
BTW, I see we once again did not get the academic point for cyhawk, what is the main culprit there? Is it the fb house cleaning, the high transfer rate Fred had, or what.
BTW, I see we once again did not get the academic point for cyhawk, what is the main culprit there? Is it the fb house cleaning, the high transfer rate Fred had, or what.
I know this might be heresy, but, according to the advanced metrics and the computers, the team this year is *significantly* better than the one from the past two years (even if the wins aren't coming because of close losses and a much stiffer schedule to this point).
Remember, we've played...
I'm not saying I'm satisfied with our performances so far, but the ISU job is one of the hardest in the country. Rhoads has still accomplished a lot for us. I'm going to look back on his tenure as a success, even if it ends after this year. I'm "okay" with another year given the progress I'm about to describe to you below in terms of the team's play.
According to this site...
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa-state/
Simple Rating System (SRS) is a rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below zero, where zero is average.
2009 = -0.73 (even though we won a bowl game)
2010 = +0.43
2011 = +2.12
2012 = +5.40 (this team was the one that really underachieved)
2013 = -3.57
2014 = -8.64
2015 = +1.36 (so about as good as the team that lost the Pinstripe Bowl)
The team is better. The crisis of 2013-2014 is over.
We're as good by these metrics as teams that made and won bowl games under Rhoads in the past. The schedule is just horrifyingly difficult now. But this isn't a bad team. It's an average, mediocre team playing schools that are (mostly) way out of its league.
(by the way, SRS rates OU +19.2, Baylor +15.5, +Oky St. 13.7, and TCU +11.3... and Iowa +13.0, Ohio State +20.2, Alabama +23.2, and Clemson +20.0, so I would think basically in line with what most people think about the best teams in the country, and SRS would rate the four playoffs teams as Alabama, OSU, Clemson, and Oklahoma, which, again, makes sense to me)
The whole idea is point differential is a better predictor of wins/losses than actual wins/losses and winning close games in the long-term is, essentially, random.
For instance, this year, we could have...
--held on against Iowa (though they did eventually win 31-17, so maybe scratch this one)
--make the field goal against Toledo (so only need three points)
--hold on against OSU (only need four)
...and that wouldn't affect our predictive/SRS all that much. We would still be, in those numbers, a pretty similar/mediocre team, maybe more comparable to the 2012 team instead of the 2011 one, but, still, not exactly a world beating program.
But do that (win Toledo and Oky St.) and we're now 5-5 with a win over a Top 5 team (even if the numbers say they're a pretender) and only need 1/2 from KSU and WVU to make a bowl game. We'd be pretty tickled as a fan base with that result and want Rhoads back.
Whole point--another coulda, woulda year, but that is basically the case every year. You win 50% of your close games in the long-term. Rhoads tended to win those early in his tenure, and he has tended to lose them of late. If luck swings back at some point, the outcome should improve. But on any advanced metric, this team is *way* better this year and more in line with the Rhoads teams from early in his tenure that we were all pretty satisfied with then.
Just wanted to add that perspective to this discussion.
Remember, we've played...
- Iowa (#6 AP, screw the CFP rankings)
- Toledo (#26, first in "others receiving")
- TCU (#11)
- Baylor (#10)
- Oklahoma (#7 and looking like civilization destroyers now)
- Oklahoma State (#4 and almost bagged them)
I'm not saying I'm satisfied with our performances so far, but the ISU job is one of the hardest in the country. Rhoads has still accomplished a lot for us. I'm going to look back on his tenure as a success, even if it ends after this year. I'm "okay" with another year given the progress I'm about to describe to you below in terms of the team's play.
According to this site...
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/iowa-state/
Simple Rating System (SRS) is a rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below zero, where zero is average.
2009 = -0.73 (even though we won a bowl game)
2010 = +0.43
2011 = +2.12
2012 = +5.40 (this team was the one that really underachieved)
2013 = -3.57
2014 = -8.64
2015 = +1.36 (so about as good as the team that lost the Pinstripe Bowl)
The team is better. The crisis of 2013-2014 is over.
We're as good by these metrics as teams that made and won bowl games under Rhoads in the past. The schedule is just horrifyingly difficult now. But this isn't a bad team. It's an average, mediocre team playing schools that are (mostly) way out of its league.
(by the way, SRS rates OU +19.2, Baylor +15.5, +Oky St. 13.7, and TCU +11.3... and Iowa +13.0, Ohio State +20.2, Alabama +23.2, and Clemson +20.0, so I would think basically in line with what most people think about the best teams in the country, and SRS would rate the four playoffs teams as Alabama, OSU, Clemson, and Oklahoma, which, again, makes sense to me)
The whole idea is point differential is a better predictor of wins/losses than actual wins/losses and winning close games in the long-term is, essentially, random.
For instance, this year, we could have...
--held on against Iowa (though they did eventually win 31-17, so maybe scratch this one)
--make the field goal against Toledo (so only need three points)
--hold on against OSU (only need four)
...and that wouldn't affect our predictive/SRS all that much. We would still be, in those numbers, a pretty similar/mediocre team, maybe more comparable to the 2012 team instead of the 2011 one, but, still, not exactly a world beating program.
But do that (win Toledo and Oky St.) and we're now 5-5 with a win over a Top 5 team (even if the numbers say they're a pretender) and only need 1/2 from KSU and WVU to make a bowl game. We'd be pretty tickled as a fan base with that result and want Rhoads back.
Whole point--another coulda, woulda year, but that is basically the case every year. You win 50% of your close games in the long-term. Rhoads tended to win those early in his tenure, and he has tended to lose them of late. If luck swings back at some point, the outcome should improve. But on any advanced metric, this team is *way* better this year and more in line with the Rhoads teams from early in his tenure that we were all pretty satisfied with then.
Just wanted to add that perspective to this discussion.
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I am talking about the 1999 team. 4-7 record. And it was weak also. Yet we kept DMac.
The 1999 Iowa State Cyclones football team represented Iowa State University during the 1999 NCAA Division I-A football season. They played their home games at Jack Trice Stadium in Ames, Iowa. They participated as members of the Big 12 Conference in the North Division. The team was coached by head coach Dan McCarney.
Schedule[edit]
Date Time Opponent Site TV Result Attendance September 2 7:00 PM Indiana State* Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA W 33–7 33,936 September 11 6:00 PM Iowa* Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA (Battle for the Cy-Hawk Trophy) FSN W 17–10 50,402 September 18 9:00 PM at UNLV* Sam Boyd Stadium • Whitney, NV W 24–0 26,176 September 25 11:30 AM #15 Kansas State Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA FSN L 28–35 40,057 October 9 6:00 PM at #4 Nebraska Memorial Stadium • Lincoln, NE FSN L 14–42 77,743 October 16 6:00 PM at Missouri Faurot Field • Columbia, MO (Battle for the Telephone Trophy) FSN W 24–21 61,052 October 23 1:00 PM Colorado Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA L 12–16 34,892 October 30 11:30 AM #12 Texas Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA FSN L 41–44 37,218 November 6 1:00 PM at Texas Tech Jones Stadium • Lubbock, TX L 16–28 41,691 November 13 1:00 PM Oklahoma Jack Trice Stadium • Ames, IA L 10–31 37,073 November 20 1:00 PM at Kansas Memorial Stadium • Lawrence, KS L 28–31 27,000 *Non-conference game. [SUP] [/SUP]Homecoming. [SUP]#[/SUP]Rankings from AP Poll. All times are in Central Time.
The biggest blowout appears to be 42-14 in lincoln. Not bad. The good old days.
1-7 finish to the season. Blew a 28 point lead against K-State. Lone Conference win over a poor Mizzou team. Had some close losses. The wins that year were against really bad teams.
I agree that the schedule is tough, but to be realistic we really don't know how good the Big 12 is this year or if it's even any better than the last couple when we flopped in too many bowl games. Our top 4 teams haven't had to play anybody that's ranked until the end of the season when they are now all playing each other, and will drop in the rankings as they do. Iowa's best win is either Northwestern or Wisconsin, and one of them wont' be ranked after this week-end as they're both barely ranked right now. And I think most of us believe Iowa will be brought back to reality when they finally play a real good team in the Big 10 championship. They might even get brought back to reality in Lincoln. The tough schedule was used as an excuse last year too, but after the bowl season our schedule didn't look as tough, especially after Oklahoma and Texas were both crushed. I've ended up with egg on my face too many times lately while bragging on the Big 12 and our tough schedule and this year I'm going to keep quiet and see what the bowl results tell us. It's the final rankings after the bowl season that are most accurate.
I appreciate the work that went into your post, but you said it all with these two sentences. I think most of us would accept an above average team that is competitive in its league. That feels a long way off right now.
So the 4-5 star recruits look at us and say "nope, the fans have loser mentalities, I'm going to Florida instead!"
Sorry man, but unconditional fan support is one of the few things we have to offer that other programs don't.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ing-back-suspended-after-owi-arrest/75983534/
Speaking of recruits......
Speaking of recruits......
CycloneErik
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I'd add again here that no one is asking for top recruits or to be a top team. Most of us are looking for a program that wins 6-7 games on a regular basis. Few, if any, have illusions of more than that.
Unless, of course, we hire Nick Saban.
Unless, of course, we hire Nick Saban.
Not making any accusation here but that promotion could have been written by somebody from the athletic department trying to convince us we should be satisfied with 3-5 win seasons. Many if not all of your points can be and have been challenged in other posts, but if we lose our last two games all the lipstick in the world isn't going to cover another 3-9 pig. Lets' hope it doesn't happen.
A person would not think a measurement was necessary when the player advanced beyond the first down marker. The problem was with the spot. And the thought was that we had the first down. Evidently they realized it late. Once they realized it they should have taken Time Out if they could.
I find it interesting that a conference geared towards offense didn't take the opportunity to help the chance of a team's offense to score by reviewing a play that would extend that offense's drive to score.
The conference added officials to games to aid the offenses to be more prolific. But when presented with a chance to potentially give an offense a chance to continue their drive they balked at that opportunity at an odd time.
The conference added officials to games to aid the offenses to be more prolific. But when presented with a chance to potentially give an offense a chance to continue their drive they balked at that opportunity at an odd time.
