ISU Guard Play!!

[CyBobby]

I miss Stinson, Blaylock, Tinsley, and Horton.:notworthy:

How about Dedric Willoughby...He wasnt too bad and won the last big 8 tournament in KCity if I remember correctly...

You guys are right though the guard play has been esp bad under mcdermott and its killing the mbb program.....:sad:

 

[marothisu]

This.

As people are trying to find reasons for how bad we are, and people to blame for it, they miss the biggest problem of all.

The offensive philosophy that we use is flawed to its core. It has been since year one, except that Mike Taylor could make plays. This isn't any different than what was run at UNI either.

Watch us play. Whenever the ball is passed to DG, the first thing he does is dribble, Gilstrap is the same. The only guy that can actually catch a pass, and then throw a pass without dribbling the ball first is Christopherson.

Watch the Villanova-Syracuse game from last night, and see how much idle dribbling is done on the offensive end. Even the teams like Oklahoma State, whose offense is based on the dribble drive, does less idle dribbling than we do.

That is why there is no flow to our offense. Add to that players being moved around the court from the sidelines, and it's painful to watch.

Yep, exactly. It's as if McDermott came into this league and thought the **** he was doing at UNI would actually work in a much different and much tougher conference.

 

[akclone]

I think DG is a fine PG for us the problem is we dont have a complementary 2 guard to take pressure off of DG. I don't think that Jacy Holloway was any better than DG but he had a good 2 guard in Dedric who could score and take pressure off of the PG position.

 

[clonecard]

For several years now this thread should be titled Why cant Mac get and keep an awesome point guard? Or maybe it's What other b-12 team could DG start for?
Ouch.

 

[CyCloned]

I missed most of the game yesterday because we had to do something. I did see DG take the ball to the hoop and miss yet another layup. I can't imagine he make 43% of his shots, I doubt he makes 43% fo his layups.:cry: That is just plain sad. So is the fact that GMac has brought in a dozen guards in the last 4 years and no one can beat out DG.

 

[cyclonenate]

The lack of everything is killing us

 

[isucy86]

Garrett is too easy to scapegoat

Sure we could use a better PG than Garrett- but his play over the last few games has been much better (not sure what took so long). IMO Mac told Diante early in the season his job was to get everyone else involved - we had enough other players that could score. IMO this made Diante a passive offensive player since his game is not the prototypical drive & dish type PG. With the loss of Staiger, Boozer and Vanderbeken it has taken Diante time to be more agressive on offense.

This teams problems aren't about the talent level of the players. Our poor play comes back to:

• We aren't a very good defensive team. I got a laugh out all the media types(includes Chris William's) excitement about Craig great offensive play in the second half against Nebraska. Sure he stepped up on offense, but his defense was HORRIBLE. The guy he was guarding (a very mediocre player) drove by him at least half a dozen times. Brackins might have scored 21 points, but he gave up 25. Gilstrap and Dendy are also liabilities on defense. What did the anouncers say yesterday- ISU has let 5 players score more than 30 points against us in a game. That is HORRIBLE.
• In big situations (end of game or when another team is on a run), we don't execute on offense. We either take bad shots or guys take good shots, but its just not their strength.
• The defections and injuries have cost us games. IMO the losses of Staiger, Boozer and Vanderbeken have probably cost ISU 3 Big 12 wins (TT, CU and pick one from Mizzou, OU or KSU).

 

[San Francisco Cy]

For the record, we had pretty good guards in 2006.

We didn't have great inside play that season. If we could combine Morgan's ability to recruit guards, with McDermott's ability to get "bigs", we wouldn't be doing too poorly....

 

[BigBake]

Sadly for Garret it's "Scoreboard".

Nearly every guard in the Big 12 is eating his lunch. I like him as a player but his career to this point has proven out that he can't be a top level guard in this conference. I hate to say it but it is the truth.

 

[cyismydog]

The lack of Guard play on this team is killing us. Every good team ISU has ever had has had really good guards. Diante is not a point guard he is a non shooting two guard. GMAC made a big mistake by not getting better guards. Look at the good guards in the Big 12 it very clear why we are not winning. ISU proved this year it does not matter if you have 2 NBA draft choices in college basketball if you do not have good guards.

Good post, and you're right...looking back, I think Mac probably would have gone after a combo guard more aggresively if he had known Lucca would be an idiot and Booze tore his ACL.

 

[gocubs2118]

Good post, and you're right...looking back, I think Mac probably would have gone after a combo guard more aggresively if he had known Lucca would be an idiot and Booze tore his ACL.

Our guards have sucked the whole season, even when Boozer was playing and Lucca was still on the team. Guards have been our main problem the whole time McDermott has been here. He has gotten us one quality Big XII guard and that was Mike Taylor. Phillips better live up to the hype next year or its going to be another long season.

 

[jhill]

Good post, and you're right...looking back, I think Mac probably would have gone after a combo guard more aggresively if he had known Lucca would be an idiot and Booze tore his ACL.

I hope you don't call either of those two solid combo guards. At best, Boozer is a 5-10 minute energy guy. Not a good ballhandler and certainly not someone that was going to create his own shot. Same could be said for Staiger. Spot up shooter that in reality was that great, with the exception of two or three games in his year and a half career. Couldn't rebound or defend. These two are examples of poor scouting/recruiting by McDermott -- or having to settle for guys because you missed out on Plan A.

Besides Mike Taylor, name another above average guard that McDermott has recruited in his four years. I would call Garrett an average guard. Same with Christopherson. Jury definitely still out on Colvin. Buckley appears below average in terms of Big 12 play. Phillips hasn't played a minute of Division I basketball, so he doesn't count yet either.

 

[Wesley]

Yet he has more assists than Collins, and shoots about the same from the floor. They both shoot 42% from 2s and Collins shoots 37% from 3s while DG is 33%. One of the reasons he doesn't beat guys off the dribble as much is the fact that every team can help and sag so much b/c we don't have a legit threat at the 2.

I think Garrett is more than good enough to play the point. If we had someone as good as him at the 2 and the 5 we'd be decent.

DG was the only one that scored yesterday from the guard court.

 

[cyclonedcm]

Our bigs do not post up very well either-- they don't own the paint... there is a lot of blame to go around on this team... poor defense, bad passing, free throw woes....many problems...

 

[justcynn]

Just returned from the Iowa Energy game, watching Stinson reminded me of some of the intangibles we are currently missing in our guard court.
*Passing - he always finds the open man
*toughness, he would body check his man all the way down the floor, no offense to DG but guards like Stinson just beat little guys up
*ability to get to the rim AND either finish or get fouled, whenever they needed a score Stinson would take it in and more times than not go to the foul line

Energy lost, D League is not terribly interesting to me, but it was great to see Stinson and be reminded about the toughness some of our guards have had over the years.

 

[cyco2000]

Good post, and you're right...looking back, I think Mac probably would have gone after a combo guard more aggresively if he had known Lucca would be an idiot and Booze tore his ACL.

Did Mac ever think Booze was good? It never seemed that the 'insiders' did:

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/52720-end-year-analysis-player-player-4.html

From your post: "Boozer can jump, and got some rebounds, but he's not that good of a defender, can't dribble, makes poor decisions on offense, and isn't a great shooter. He's really, overrated, IMO."

So, this 'overrated' Boozer is now a reason Mac didn't try harder to recruit a combo guard.

Right.

 

[CyBelieve]

Our guards have sucked the whole season, even when Boozer was playing and Lucca was still on the team. Guards have been our main problem the whole time McDermott has been here. He has gotten us one quality Big XII guard and that was Mike Taylor. Phillips better live up to the hype next year or its going to be another long season.

That's the 2010 montra

This was the 2009 Mondtra

Our guards have sucked the whole season. Guards have been our main problem the whole time McDermott has been here. He has gotten us one quality Big XII guard and that was Mike Taylor. Colvin better live up to the hype next year or its going to be another long season

This was the 2008 Montra

Our guards have sucked the whole season. Guards have been our main problem the whole time McDermott has been here. He has gotten us one quality Big XII guard and that was Mike Taylor. Buckly better live up to the hype next year or its going to be another long season

This was the 2007 Montra

Our guards have sucked the whole season. Guards have been our main problem the whole time McDermott has been here. He has gotten us one quality Big XII guard and that was Mike Taylor. Garrett better live up to the hype next year or its going to be another long season

....anyone see a pattern here????????

 

[cy1010]

Just returned from the Iowa Energy game, watching Stinson reminded me of some of the intangibles we are currently missing in our guard court.
*Passing - he always finds the open man
*toughness, he would body check his man all the way down the floor, no offense to DG but guards like Stinson just beat little guys up
*ability to get to the rim AND either finish or get fouled, whenever they needed a score Stinson would take it in and more times than not go to the foul line

Energy lost, D League is not terribly interesting to me, but it was great to see Stinson and be reminded about the toughness some of our guards have had over the years.

So Stinson ran a one may press? That seems like a bad idea on Nurse's part.