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SpokaneCY

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You have to optimize metabolism, the keto diet doesn't address this. It's not sustainable.

Explain? I've lost 30 starting March 2016. It's off, it's stayed off, my bio-markers are way better, I feel better - how not sustainable?
 

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Sort of doing this, but still taking in carbs(at much lower levels). I have really throw an exercise component in. Work out every morning about 45 minutes. Am down 35 pounds since May. It's all about balance.
 

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I've never understood all these different "diet" regimens if your only goal is to lose weight (which is usually what most people are after). You don't need to go to extremes by completely eliminating, or even significantly reducing, certain types of foods. In my mind, weight loss is all about calories in versus calories out. You get far enough on the right side of that equation and you'll lose weight. It doesn't really matter how you get there. Eat less calories, exercise more, both, whatever.

Now, if you're also concerned about body composition (muscle vs. body fat) or other health benefits, then yeah, what you eat makes a difference. Most people have fairly superficial motivations though, in my opinion, and are more concerned about dropping weight and just looking "thinner" than anything else. I admittedly fell in that category.

I lost 75 pounds over 2 years (and have kept it off for nearly 4 years now) simply by managing calories in vs. calories out, all while eating exactly the same stuff I've always eaten (including fast-food). I just ate less calories and exercised more, which was really nothing more than walking a few miles daily. Not exactly a strenuous exercise routine. When I hit my goal weight, I slowly backed off on the caloric deficit I was using to lose weight (combination of eating a little more and exercising a little less) until I found what I needed to maintain where I was at.

Having said that...congratulations to everyone here who has lost weight, no matter how you went about it. It's the end result, and being able to maintain that result, that matters. Find what works for you. In most instances if you want to lose weight and keep it off, it takes a lifestyle change, not a "diet".
 
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I've never understood all these different "diet" regimens if your only goal is to lose weight (which is usually what most people are after). You don't need to go to extremes by completely eliminating, or even significantly reducing, certain types of foods. In my mind, weight loss is all about calories in versus calories out. You get far enough on the right side of that equation and you'll lose weight. It doesn't really matter how you get there. Eat less calories, exercise more, both, whatever.

Now, if you're also concerned about body composition (muscle vs. body fat) or other health benefits, then yeah, what you eat makes a difference. Most people have fairly superficial motivations though, in my opinion, and are more concerned about dropping weight and just looking "thinner" than anything else. I admittedly fell in that category.

I lost 75 pounds over 2 years (and have kept it off for nearly 4 years now) simply by managing calories in vs. calories out, all while eating exactly the same stuff I've always eaten (including fast-food). I just ate less calories and exercised more, which was really nothing more than walking a few miles daily. Not exactly a strenuous exercise routine. When I hit my goal weight, I slowly backed off on the caloric deficit I was using to lose weight (combination of eating a little more and exercising a little less) until I found what I needed to maintain where I was at.

Having said that...congratulations to everyone here who has lost weight, no matter how you went about it. It's the end result, and being able to maintain that result, that matters. Find what works for you. In most instances if you want to lose weight and keep it off, it takes a lifestyle change, not a "diet".

I agree but like you said, some people have different goals so it's not all about a calorie deficit because all calories aren't created equal.

I've had luck with a paleo-type diet, which to me makes a ton of sense because processed sugar, IMO has been the health killer in this country. I haven't been rigid on it as I'll eat a potato here and there and use milk in my shake for lunch, but I cut out a ton of bread and any liquid not water during the day and it really helps. Add in a HIIT type of program where you burn fat because that sugar doesn't exist and I felt much better. All of this was also sustainable. My issue is that my life and schedule change drastically about every 3 months and I need to find a way to maintain that structure throughout the year. It gets hard to get yourself to work out for 30-45 minutes when you're working 16-20 hour days and then it gets hard to eat right and not drink so much when you're out on the golf course with friends. So that's my struggle.

Many different ways to skin this cat. You just have to find what works for you and what you can sustain.
 

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I agree but like you said, some people have different goals so it's not all about a calorie deficit because all calories aren't created equal.

I've had luck with a paleo-type diet, which to me makes a ton of sense because processed sugar, IMO has been the health killer in this country. I haven't been rigid on it as I'll eat a potato here and there and use milk in my shake for lunch, but I cut out a ton of bread and any liquid not water during the day and it really helps. Add in a HIIT type of program where you burn fat because that sugar doesn't exist and I felt much better. All of this was also sustainable. My issue is that my life and schedule change drastically about every 3 months and I need to find a way to maintain that structure throughout the year. It gets hard to get yourself to work out for 30-45 minutes when you're working 16-20 hour days and then it gets hard to eat right and not drink so much when you're out on the golf course with friends. So that's my struggle.

Many different ways to skin this cat. You just have to find what works for you and what you can sustain.

Friend, you need to figure out a way to work less hours. You keep working like that, it will catch up with you.
 

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Honestly, just count your macros. Its so simple. If you are going to go keto, then reverse diet / slowly reintroduce carbs so you don't turn into a blob when you inevitably start eating carbs again.

Obviously Keto has a rapid weight loss component that is really alluring - and I think it can be beneficial as a cut - but long-term eating that much fat while not getting micro nutrients from fruits just seems insane.

Any bodybuilders out there? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts - I was able to compete in a bodybuilding show and more importantly maintain a great physique by just manipulating macros. Losing weight is easy with a lot of different diets, but I haven't found a better way to maintain a physique than with counting macros.

- some random dude on the interwebs
 

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Honestly, just count your macros. Its so simple. If you are going to go keto, then reverse diet / slowly reintroduce carbs so you don't turn into a blob when you inevitably start eating carbs again.

Obviously Keto has a rapid weight loss component that is really alluring - and I think it can be beneficial as a cut - but long-term eating that much fat while not getting micro nutrients from fruits just seems insane.

Any bodybuilders out there? I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts - I was able to compete in a bodybuilding show and more importantly maintain a great physique by just manipulating macros. Losing weight is easy with a lot of different diets, but I haven't found a better way to maintain a physique than with counting macros.

- some random dude on the interwebs

The people I know who are in great shape with a significant amount of muscle mass are either macro counters or paleo people.
 
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