Krick leaving program, Jensen still deciding what he wants to do

[DuckDynastyCy]

How could you enforce an internal rule that a college graduate has to stay one more year for athletic competition?

That's why it is an Internal rule. Just so that everyone is on the same page not to leave the program scrambling for players. Least they should do when they got 4 years of education and the degree you spoke of, free.

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

I'm no expert, but my gut tells me that if this 350# OL had the additional skills (like speed and lateral mobility) to play DL, he would have had a ton more offers for playing OL or DL.

Agree that he may not have the speed and lateral mobility, but, there's a lot of guys cashing checks in the nfl that are very large men that do not have the attributes. But, they have size, and power, and are space eaters. In line with previous poster that said he may simply be a blocker eater and allowing the LBs to roam and make tackles. I agree with you, luv DT's that can get off the snap and apply good interior pressure. But, in watching Wendells tape, i dont care if he plays DT or OL - hes got a lot of power, and one thing from those highlights that i like is he appears to play with that meanstreak.....Dont care either way - road grader at guard or roadblock at DT if he excels at either we will be better off!!!!

 

[GWad]

He doesn't start you fool. He is in the rotation. From about game 7 on nobody has blocked him. Anything else.

he won't sniff the NFL

 

[CycloneErik]

That's why it is an Internal rule. Just so that everyone is on the same page not to leave the program scrambling for players. Least they should do when they got 4 years of education and the degree you spoke of, free.

It's completely unenforceable.
If a guy contributes to the team and gets his degree, then he's definitely earned the right to move on with life if he wants to. It's no different than leaving a job for a step up in any other field.

 

[Wesley]

Then he must be the worst d-lineman to ever play the game if he can't even produce with nobody blocking him. 24 tackles in 13 games. His numbers did not get better later in the season as you are trying to claim. Rather most of his tackles were recorded against the weaker teams on the schedule. He was mostly a non-factor against the better teams (keep in mind still lower division) on the schedule.

Another fine hard hitting investigative report by Steve. Debunking the bunk.

 

[Doc]

We offerred and missed on another juco dt and just made one to another juco end and dt today. And are going after hs dts and ends still. Probably will take 3 more d-lineman total per trey scott. Am guessing Jensen in Limbo doesnt help landing a commit though. Regardless of his decision he needs to make up his mind soon.

Jensen can afford some time to make up his mind, and he knows that. If he wants to play, they want him. He can make his decision whenever he wants as long it's before classes begin. He's worth more than the 85th player they can drop from a scholly.

 

[Londo]

Bevins was a huge loss. I have been to every Northwest game this year. That kid is a freak. He will get drafted out of NW, and i'd bet on it.

Pretty laughable, highly doubt he gets a good sniff at the draft

 

[Stormin]

Good article on Bevins. Sounds like he finished the season well.

Division I transfer Bevins helping relentless Northwest defense - Northwest Missouri State Bearcats - St. Joseph News-Press


Parents both went to NWMSU. Cites the size of Ames and ISU as a factor. Even if he had the talent to make it in the pros, would he be able to handle the city life required to be a professional. Still sorry to lose him.

 

[IAStubborn]

Jensen can afford some time to make up his mind, and he knows that. If he wants to play, they want him. He can make his decision whenever he wants as long it's before classes begin. He's worth more than the 85th player they can drop from a scholly.

Sure he can, but it makes it harder to land a juco DT when both of your starters are returning. If he cares about the program the sooner he decides the better. Having leverage doesn't mean its wise to exercise that leverage.

 

[DuckDynastyCy]

It's completely unenforceable.
If a guy contributes to the team and gets his degree, then he's definitely earned the right to move on with life if he wants to. It's no different than leaving a job for a step up in any other field.

I disagree. If the folks want enforcement then you could enforce it very easily. If the kid doesn't notify the staff by, say, the end of Fall Camp after year four, that he isn't going to use his 5th year of eligibility, and fails to play that 5th year, then hand him in Invoice for 1 year's worth of Tuition on the way out the door. Make them sign it as part of their paperwork as incoming freshmen, especially if they redshirt.

This, in my mind, would be fair, as it matches the years of playing time with the number of years of tuition reimbursement. Of course, then it becomes more than Internal policy, but university policy at some point. If the kid notifies the staff by the end of the Camp his junior year of eligibility and doesn't play his 5th year, no penalty. If he doesn't notify the staff (and the staff then assumes he is playing his 5th year) but skips out of town, then Invoice him.

 

[CyCy]

So he great plan is to make incoming players sign a contract that they will pay a $20,000 "fine" if they don't stay around for 5 years. Boy I bet that would do wonders for recruiting. Would this "contract" then guarantee the player 5 years of scholarship, because right now all scholarships are one year renewable and the coach can drop a player at their discretion.

 

[BryceC]

I don't have a problem with anybody walking away. A thin, weak position just got thinner and weaker though and it's hard to see how this team gets to a bowl without significant improvement in the middle of the d line.

 

[klamath632]

Great thread. The last two pages have been endless discussion on unenforceable internal team rules on giving notice of your intent to hang up your cleats, and boasting about Bevins chances to go in the first round of the NFL draft. What was the topic again?

 

[Cycsk]

Aren't all scholarships officially one year agreements . . . often with a mutual, but unofficial understanding that they will be renewed each year?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Aren't all scholarships officially one year agreements . . . often with a mutual, but unofficial understanding that they will be renewed each year?

Not so much anymore. I think most are 4 year agreements.

 

[TXN4CY]

At what point is it okay to suggest we may have a Shane Burnham problem?

We don't. He would be the furthest thing from a problem associated to this team.

 

[CycloneErik]

So he great plan is to make incoming players sign a contract that they will pay a $20,000 "fine" if they don't stay around for 5 years. Boy I bet that would do wonders for recruiting. Would this "contract" then guarantee the player 5 years of scholarship, because right now all scholarships are one year renewable and the coach can drop a player at their discretion.

No, it would be one-sided, theoretically in favor of the program.

That fine would be completely unenforceable. There just isn't a way to require a college graduate to remain in college to play without pay when they could get a job and start the next stage.

 

[DuckDynastyCy]

No, it would be one-sided, theoretically in favor of the program.

That fine would be completely unenforceable. There just isn't a way to require a college graduate to remain in college to play without pay when they could get a job and start the next stage.

The only way to enforce it would be for the NCAA to step in an make this a rule, not just Iowa State. And I don't believe that is tips the scales in favor of the school or program at all. It simply states that you get a year paid for each year you see the field. If you reshirt, then 90% of players need the 5th year, while playing football to graduate anyway. It does not penalize the player IF he declares to the staff by say, Septemeber 1st of his junior year, if he plans to graduate early. If he has the accountability to inform the staff then he just got 4 years of classes paid with 3 years of playing time. That's a pretty good deal. The athlete would only be penalized if he did NOT declare his junior year, that he would be leaving early, but does anyway without notice. In that case, the program/staff is at a huge disadvantage because they thought the kid was staying, but hangs it up with the prime recruiting period already past, not to mention the cost to the program to go out and recruit a kid to replace the one that quit. The kid would have received 4 years paid tuition, but only played 3.


It all hinges on whether you inform the staff of your true intentions if it looks like you want to graduate before the 5th year. If you do, no penalty.

 

[CycloneErik]

The only way to enforce it would be for the NCAA to step in an make this a rule, not just Iowa State. And I don't believe that is tips the scales in favor of the school or program at all. It simply states that you get a year paid for each year you see the field. If you reshirt, then 90% of players need the 5th year, while playing football to graduate anyway. It does not penalize the player IF he declares to the staff by say, Septemeber 1st of his junior year, if he plans to graduate early. If he has the accountability to inform the staff then he just got 4 years of classes paid with 3 years of playing time. That's a pretty good deal. The athlete would only be penalized if he did NOT declare his junior year, that he would be leaving early, but does anyway without notice. In that case, the program/staff is at a huge disadvantage because they thought the kid was staying, but hangs it up with the prime recruiting period already past, not to mention the cost to the program to go out and recruit a kid to replace the one that quit. The kid would have received 4 years paid tuition, but only played 3.


It all hinges on whether you inform the staff of your true intentions if it looks like you want to graduate before the 5th year. If you do, no penalty.

A few problems here:
1. You can't enforce that. It derails the point of going to college, which is school, not sports. Even the NCAA isn't crass enough to go with that. I also doubt that holds up in court.
2. If you inform the staff a year early, you pay the price, or possibly have your scholarship removed. What kind of recourses are you putting in to protect the student?
3. The disadvantage: That's just a 'welcome to the big boy world of work' for the staff. People leave jobs, and there's nothing wrong with that, whether it leaves their old employer at a disadvantage or not. There can't be anything wrong with a college graduate leaving school. They've fulfilled their requirement.

Your version is slanted only in favor of the program, and leaves the student-athlete out to dry.

 

[CyCy]

So according to this idea Kane should have been required to pay a $20,000 penalty (or whatever is a year's expenses) to Marshall university since he left without playing his 5th year there?