***KSU vs ISU***

[surly]

I wouldn't put much into those rankings. I looked at K-State's. Three four star gals. One, Hooper, has already given up on hoops and went to volleyball, and, I might add, for good reason.

http://prospectsnation.com/players/committed/2015/Kansas%20State?title=

 

[acoustimac]

What's puzzling? This has been a long time coming.
1) The Women's program has been in decline for at least 4 years.
2) Over that time and especially this year, Bill's recruiting or lack thereof has been exposed. We simply are no longer competitive in the Big 12.
3) The offense stinks--but the set plays haven't changed in at least 10 years. It's way past time for some new ideas--new coaches.
4) When you look at a video of the early 2000 teams and compare it to the last 4 years, other than the name on the front of the jerseys, the differences are jarring.

one of the most unfounded posts I've read in a while. All they've done is consistently finish in the top third of the Big 12. They've had two top recruiting classes in a row. You can't compare women's basketball anywhere with the early 2000's. The game has evolved quickly on a national level with many more teams playing at a higher level and the number of quality players has increased as well. It's a different game these days. I'm not a fan of the offense myself, but throwing the coaches under the bus when adversity hits is a bit weird.

 

[Wesley]

one of the most unfounded posts I've read in a while. All they've done is consistently finish in the top third of the Big 12. They've had two top recruiting classes in a row. You can't compare women's basketball anywhere with the early 2000's. The game has evolved quickly on a national level with many more teams playing at a higher level and the number of quality players has increased as well. It's a different game these days. I'm not a fan of the offense myself, but throwing the coaches under the bus when adversity hits is a bit weird.

Same argument for football north division, If the league gets better, we need to get better

 

[BoxsterCy]

one of the most unfounded posts I've read in a while. All they've done is consistently finish in the top third of the Big 12. They've had two top recruiting classes in a row. You can't compare women's basketball anywhere with the early 2000's. The game has evolved quickly on a national level with many more teams playing at a higher level and the number of quality players has increased as well. It's a different game these days. I'm not a fan of the offense myself, but throwing the coaches under the bus when adversity hits is a bit weird.

I guess the question I have is if it is no longer the sport of 2000 (and I agree) can our current coaching staff adapt and adjust. I am not sure. I have a bad feeling about it. I am no coaching guru so don't have answers or even a prediction but I do have the question. I am not basing this only on this year since I think it was a bit of an unlucky **** storm of injuries and all. Ten years ago I would be thinking with confidence that next year would be a big bounce back but now I am just "hoping" for that.

 

[barometriclow]

You would think with our fan support that we would be a perennial powerhouse. So what is missing?

 

[theshadow]

You would think with our fan support that we would be a perennial powerhouse.

Fans don't recruit, coach, or play.

 

[cydney]

You would think with our fan support that we would be a perennial powerhouse. So what is missing?

There are many lessons to learn from this year, all of which have been mentioned at some point or another. Bench depth, both attracting and keeping players. Leadership depth. Athleticism depth. Achieving those will overcome a lot of issues, ranging from injuries, practice time, playbook mastery, etc.

I'd like the coaching staff to take note of the difference in football recruiting with Campbell's arrival and staff. The fan support was already there. The facilities. Some exceptional players were already here. But it took a completely fresh approach to get recruits excited again for the program. It's true the results and impact are not yet known. But the wbb coaching staff should act like they are starting fresh. I don't want to suggest we need a new coaching staff. But they need to act like they are building something new.

 

[cydney]

There are many lessons to learn from this year, all of which have been mentioned at some point or another. Bench depth, both attracting and keeping players. Leadership depth. Athleticism depth. Achieving those will overcome a lot of issues, ranging from injuries, practice time, playbook mastery, etc.

I'd like the coaching staff to take note of the difference in football recruiting with Campbell's arrival and staff. The fan support was already there. The facilities. Some exceptional players were already here. But it took a completely fresh approach to get recruits excited again for the program. It's true the results and impact are not yet known. But the wbb coaching staff should act like they are starting fresh. I don't want to suggest we need a new coaching staff. But they need to act like they are building something new.

Following up on depth, look at the rosters of the Michigan State and Ohio State teams, who played a 3OT game yesterday, MSU winning 107 to 105.

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/msu-w-baskbl-mtt.html

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/osu-w-baskbl-mtt.html

15 players on each roster.

One sign that ISU WBB is on its way back to being a contender is when there are 15 players are on our roster, and we have more players who want to be Cyclones than we have scholarships for.

We had 15 players on the 08-09 team that went to the Elite 8.
http://www.cyclones.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10700&SPID=4253&SPSID=46670&KEY=&Q_SEASON=2008

 

[NenoFone]

I kind of doubt that recruits come in here and see a crowd of 4 to 5 thousand people in their 60's and 70's and say to themselves, "wow, this is where I want to play". Maybe if the student section showed-up, with the tickets they already bought, that might make of a difference.

 

[Buster28]

The students have been there in the past. If you go back and look at the era of Frese, Welle, Taylor, etc., there was always a great student turnout. There have been years since where student attendance has been ok, but it's not been great in nearly 15 years now. If the program is winning, students show up more. It's literally as simple as that.

To say the crowd is in their 60s and 70s (not possessive) is an oversimplification of the drop-off in numbers over the years. There is still a wide age range going to the women's games from little kids to their parents, to 40- and 50-somethings to folks up into at least their 70s. The older set is the most likely to show up to every single game and be dedicated fans of the program. With on-the-court success, there will be more fans, regardless. If you think a recruit who wants to play in front of an actual crowd cares what the age of that crowd is, I think you're underestimating their motivation.

 

[theshadow]

If the program is winning, students show up more. It's literally as simple as that.

If there is free stuff (t-shirts, props, prizes), the students show up. Otherwise, no.

 

[Royalclone]

The students have been there in the past. If you go back and look at the era of Frese, Welle, Taylor, etc., there was always a great student turnout. There have been years since where student attendance has been ok, but it's not been great in nearly 15 years now. If the program is winning, students show up more. It's literally as simple as that.

To say the crowd is in their 60s and 70s (not possessive) is an oversimplification of the drop-off in numbers over the years. There is still a wide age range going to the women's games from little kids to their parents, to 40- and 50-somethings to folks up into at least their 70s. The older set is the most likely to show up to every single game and be dedicated fans of the program. With on-the-court success, there will be more fans, regardless. If you think a recruit who wants to play in front of an actual crowd cares what the age of that crowd is, I think you're underestimating their motivation.

Us old guys still know how to cheer:smile:

 

[Buster28]

If there is free stuff (t-shirts, props, prizes), the students show up. Otherwise, no.

The last few years, unless it's Iowa coming to Hilton, even the free stuff makes very little difference. And I'm not sure you read the whole post. Your simple "no" is not historically accurate.

 

[Buster28]

Us old guys still know how to cheer:smile:

Yes we do. :yes:

 

[Royalclone]

The Big 12 is in its 20th year. BF has been here for all of them. The first year of the Big 12 was also his first NCAA tournament team. Over that time ISU is 192-38 in the Big 12 and 17-16 in the Big Dance (assuming we lose to West Virginia and don't win the Big 12 tournament.

Since they ladies are playing quarters now, I broke the Big 12 and NCAA records into quarters.

1st qtr 1997-2001 Big 12: 58-22 Big Dance: 8-5
2nd qtr 2002-2006 Big 12: 42-38 Big Dance: 1-2
3rd qtr 2007-2011 Big 12: 48-32 Big Dance: 7-5
4th qtr 2012-2116 Big 12: 44-46 Big Dance: 1-4

2016 is the first year that ISU will finish with less than 7 wins during the Big 12 regular season. It will also cap off the only quarter the team has finished below .500 during the conference season.

Maybe Bill's drive goes in five-year fits and spurts. Hopefully, it improves in the next five year period

 

[Tornado man]

I kind of doubt that recruits come in here and see a crowd of 4 to 5 thousand people in their 60's and 70's and say to themselves, "wow, this is where I want to play". Maybe if the student section showed-up, with the tickets they already bought, that might make of a difference.

Spoken like someone who doesn't go to games. Don't just make stuff up. I was surrounded by parents and young kids in my section at the K-State game.

 

[barometriclow]

ISU Education - first class
Facilites - first class
Campus - wow - look no farther than Iowa City campus for comparison
Ames - Iowa nice - and close to Des Moines
Fans - wow
something still missing

Been a season ticket holder since they started season tickets - how much longer - my city library beckons for excitement.

Where have you gone, Wild Bill,
Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.​

 

[acoustimac]

Us old guys still know how to cheer:smile:

I resemble that remark!

 

[kcdc4isu]

I kind of doubt that recruits come in here and see a crowd of 4 to 5 thousand people in their 60's and 70's and say to themselves, "wow, this is where I want to play". Maybe if the student section showed-up, with the tickets they already bought, that might make of a difference.

My group of 8 has one in their 60's, three in the 40-50 group and four 20 or younger ( who each started coming before they were one years old)and we all cheer loudly.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Spoken like someone who doesn't go to games. Don't just make stuff up. I was surrounded by parents and young kids in my section at the K-State game.

I didn't make it down this season but do see lots of kids in the stands with their younger parents so it isn't just old ****s like me in attendance. The crowds are obviously down but have to give a thumbs up and tip of the hat to those we are attendance.

I will say it is pretty quiet sounding via TV. Some of that is smaller crowds and no students but guessing it has a lot to do with not much to cheer or get excited about. That one crazy once in a lifetime scoring run versus Tech didn't even seem that loud.

The quiet reminds me of Poppen's freshman year when we played the Gophers in The Barn. They had a nice sized crowd but a few hundred Cyclones drowned them out. The Gopher cheerleaders stopped and gave up in the middle of their MINN-E-SOTA cheer because we drowned it out with CYCLONE - POWER. Watched the Gophers a couple weeks ago and The Barn was very noticeably loud again even from a watching on TV perspective. Lot's to do with what the fans are being rewarded with on court IMHO. We aren't a very exciting team to watch right now, a little like that Gopher team that we played in 2009.