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Go2Guy

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If you want my brutally honest opinion, I dont see a program getting some guys with help from a shoe company as any different than speeding. If you dont do those things, you will be passed by by those you share the road with. If you get caught, you pay the fine and get back on the road.

Asking me to be morally outraged over such a nothing burger is to me the same as if I freaked out over hearing you got a speeding ticket, screaming "you could have killed someone".

It's a breaking of a rule that I believe is based in stupidity. Players should be able to get whatever money they can just like every other college student can. .

Mr 44; I emphatically disagree because the cheating and payments are ruining parity at the college level. P5 schools are so stratified and concentrated at the top that it threatens the game. We probably are getting another 'Bama-Georgia vs Clemson Title game....again. The Final 4 will be the same-ole-same-ole (Kansas won't make it because Self can't seem to live up to his seeding). Paying players aint gonna level the field; if anything it's gonna stratify & concentrate the BlueBloods even more. When is this sheit gonna end; Kansas has been cheating before Self was even born:
Wilt Chamberlain Says Boosters Paid Him to Play Basketball for Kansas in the 1950s
 

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Mr 44; I emphatically disagree because the cheating and payments are ruining parity at the college level. P5 schools are so stratified and concentrated at the top that it threatens the game. We probably are getting another 'Bama-Georgia vs Clemson Title game....again. The Final 4 will be the same-ole-same-ole (Kansas won't make it because Self can't seem to live up to his seeding). Paying players aint gonna level the field; if anything it's gonna stratify & concentrate the BlueBloods even more. When is this sheit gonna end; Kansas has been cheating before Self was even born:
Wilt Chamberlain Says Boosters Paid Him to Play Basketball for Kansas in the 1950s
Since when was the goal of sports PARITY?!? Lack of parity is killing college sports? Just 6 players have won the last 40 men's tennis major tourneys. Parity in the NBA? PLEASE. Hello Lakers/Celtics/Bulls/Warriors. The NFL? Please. Hello Cowboys/Steelers/49ers/Patriots. MLB? How many titles between the Yankees, Cardinals and Red Sox, 47?

The only people who want parity are fans of teams that never win. The rest of us want to see the best players play and beat the best players.
 
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Since when was the goal of sports PARITY?!? Lack of parity is killing college sports? Just 6 players have won the last 40 men's tennis major tourneys. Parity in the NBA? PLEASE. Hello Lakers/Celtics/Bulls/Warriors. The NFL? Please. Hello Cowboys/Steelers/49ers/Patriots. MLB? How many titles between the Yankees, Cardinals and Red Sox, 47?

The only people who want parity are fans of teams that never win. The rest of us want to see the best players play and beat the best players.

Tell me you're excited for another SEC vs Clemson matchup?
 

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Tell me you're excited for another SEC vs Clemson matchup?
Sure, doesn't bother me at all. College football is a vastly inferior football product to the NFL that I rarely watch but a Clemson vs. Bama game might be executed at a high enough level to draw my interest. I'd watch more of it than a Wisconsin vs. Boise State game.
 

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Here is a question based on your above response that you might find amusing. Say there are 5 schools willing to take part in the shoe pay for play business model. There are only 5 because they are the only ones willing to speed due to the potential for speeding tickets. The other 295+ schools play by the rules. Now, the rules change and players can now be special perks and bonuses. You have 300+ schools doing the same thing, paying for players, because, honestly, $100,000 per player isn't much to a P5 program, especially if supplemented by deep pocket donors.

Does KU stay at/near the top of the Big 12 if this becomes the norm...where schools like Texas and Oklahoma, which have double (or more) of the KU budget now can flip $100K, $150K, or more at 5 star basketball recruits?

Bonus question...Can KU stay at or near the top of the Big 12 if they stop getting 4 and 5 star players due to being outbid?

Be careful what you wish for...
Allowing the players to get money is in my opinion the right thing to do. If as a result, KU isnt as dominant at basketball then so be it. It's how the sport needs to progress given the current arrangement.

And while many think it would result in the "rich getting richer" I actually agree with you that it will level the playing field some. Iowa State and other programs who have high dollar boosters not willing to break the rules will now have those booster available to pitch in to the process.
 

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I'm not so sure media enablers will focus much on Ku's malfeasance this season. It's in their interests - Jay Bilas, Seth Greenberg, Dickie V, ESPN generally - that Ku comes out of this without significantly harming their asset value.

Bilas has kept his mouth shut after proclaiming that Miller would never coach another game. He now only goes after the easier target--the NCAA.
 

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Eh. Who cares? It was a fun event late at night, and Snoop's gonna Snoop. KU knew what they were getting, the kids likely loved it, who else does it affect at all? Not the classiest move, and the money guns were hopefully tongue-in-cheek by Snoop, but who cares?

I have loved Snoop since his verses on The Chronic... but I do wonder what KU's idea of "current rap" is.

Saw Snoop in concert once. The main thing I remember is at one point he rapped "Show me your titties, sh-sh-sh-show me your titties" and without hesitation like 20 girls showed him their titties.

I've seen him a couple of times and he's hilarious. He just gets high and enjoys himself, and it's hilarious to watch.
 

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Sure, doesn't bother me at all. College football is a vastly inferior football product to the NFL that I rarely watch but a Clemson vs. Bama game might be executed at a high enough level to draw my interest. I'd watch more of it than a Wisconsin vs. Boise State game.
I would expect someone who has Kansas football as their barometer to say this.

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I would expect someone who has Kansas football as their barometer to say this.

;)
I have lived in Missouri, Michigan, Colorado, Maryland, Delaware, Ohio, Indiana and now Nebraska and have had the opportunity to watch good college programs from all over. From a pure play-of-the-game product, it is vastly inferior to the NFL. Which is to be expected. Too many penalties, too wide a disparity in talent between tiers of teams, too little talent from a coaching and play standpoint. My weekend time is valuable to me. I try to watch CFB games and they are typically just too poorly played to keep my interest.

Saturdays turn into good days to take the bike out or do yardwork so I can watch good football on Sunday. But that's just me. To each their own.
 

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I have lived in Missouri, Michigan, Colorado, Maryland, Delaware, Ohio, Indiana and now Nebraska and have had the opportunity to watch good college programs from all over. From a pure play-of-the-game product, it is vastly inferior to the NFL. Which is to be expected. Too many penalties, too wide a disparity in talent between tiers of teams, too little talent from a coaching and play standpoint. My weekend time is valuable to me. I try to watch CFB games and they are typically just too poorly played to keep my interest.

Saturdays turn into good days to take the bike out or do yardwork so I can watch good football on Sunday. But that's just me. To each their own.
I’m trying to figure out which statement is the most moronic...The justification of KU indiscretions, parity is socialism, or college football is a bad product. You can justify KU’s cheating all you want, but you have broken the rules and now you’re crying about the rules. You’re the thief that got caught robbing the liquor store and instead of owning up to your mistakes, you blame society and it’s laws. As far as your precious NFL, it’s popularity is derived from parity and gambling. So you want parity in the NFL, but it’s not OK in college football? I wonder where the NFL would be without the most popular minor league system in the US called college football?
 

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I’m trying to figure out which statement is the most moronic...The justification of KU indiscretions, parity is socialism, or college football is a bad product. You can justify KU’s cheating all you want, but you have broken the rules and now you’re crying about the rules. You’re the thief that got caught robbing the liquor store and instead of owning up to your mistakes, you blame society and it’s laws. As far as your precious NFL, it’s popularity is derived from parity and gambling. So you want parity in the NFL, but it’s not OK in college football? I wonder where the NFL would be without the most popular minor league system in the US called college football?
1) It's a dumb rule. A majority of the fans polled on the topic (even those who are not fans of teams currently facing punishment for breaking them) agree with me that college players in at least the revenue generating sports should receive some form of monetary compensation.

2) As I write this, I am watching the Texas vs. OU game as Texas' star senior defensive player gets ejected for targeting due to being careless and inexperienced and Texas compounding it with blunders, penalties, dropped passes, sacks allowed and missed tackles. And this is in what looks to be one of the best matchups of the CFB week.

3) I 100% agree with you that NCAA football is a vital and necessary minor league feeder system to the NFL. I dont care to watch minor league or college baseball for the same reasons.

Again, this is just me and what I do not enjoy about it. I am not trying to convince anyone to agree or feel the same as me. If you love it and it hits all of your checkboxes, that's great. I am an antsy person so basketball is more my thing due to all of the extended periods of inactivity in football. It takes a high quality of football to hold my attention or else I wander away from it to find something else to do.
 
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