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That is such a stupid take. There is absolutely no way you have this view unless you are a Jayhawks fan. The rules are the rules. You don’t get to just not follow them because you think their stupid. Try using that next time you are speeding and get picked up and report back on how it goes. Lobby for them to be changed like you are saying, totally agree. But you can’t just say “aww **** it. I don’t like it so I’m not gonna follow it”.
Well...Kansas thinks not being able to shoot 3 pointers between the opponent's free throws is a dumb rule...
 
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It would be hard for him to find a school with as low of ethical standards as KU. KU not only tolerates his cheating they enable and encourage it. Just needs to find a new way to pay players now that the Adidas connection is being watched.

They could switch sponsorship to KangaROO shoes. The players could get new shoes before each game with a wad of rolled-up bills in the pouch.
 

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That is such a stupid take. There is absolutely no way you have this view unless you are a Jayhawks fan. The rules are the rules. You don’t get to just not follow them because you think they’re stupid. Try using that next time you are speeding and get picked up and report back on how it goes. Lobby for them to be changed like you are saying, totally agree. But you can’t just say “aww **** it. I don’t like it so I’m not gonna follow it”.
I didn't say that we shouldn't follow the rules. It just doesn't bother me personally that this rule was broken by Adidas by paying the players.

As for speeding, if you told me that you drive to work at 10 miles over the limit, I wouldn't label you a degenerate and bad mouth you because I also don't have a problem with breaking that law within reason. I have certainly accumulated a good handful of speeding tickets in my day and I paid the fine on each one. Meh.
 

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If Kansas is complicit, then the whole sport is complicit. Because the rule we are talking about here is shoe companies providing benefits for players and the NCAA rule basically says we don't care if the school didn't know, they will still be punished.
Agreed. If a runner hands a kid a bag of cash at his house his sophomore year of high school because the runner's boss did the math and discovered that $1,000 into the hands of dozens of HS recruits will pay for itself over time and it is discovered when the player is in college, then the ncaa punishes the college. It's absurd and pointless.

"But it's the rule and the college is scum for breaking it." So dumb.
 
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I didn't say that we shouldn't follow the rules. It just doesn't bother me personally that this rule was broken by Adidas by paying the players.

As for speeding, if you told me that you drive to work at 10 miles over the limit, I wouldn't label you a degenerate and bad mouth you because I also don't have a problem with breaking that law within reason. I have certainly accumulated a good handful of speeding tickets in my day and I paid the fine on each one. Meh.
You're an excellent representative for Ku's fanbase.

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Ayton really isn't involved in the KU stuff. You forgot DeSousa and Diallo.
False.

"The NCAA also included allegations that Gassnola provided $15,000 to an unidentified individual to give to the mother of recruit Deandre Ayton, who signed with Arizona, and that Gassnola "communicated in a text message to Self that he had let Self down" when Ayton signed with the Wildcats. "

Nike beat Adidas' $15,000 payment with a $100,000 payment and Ayton ended up at Arizona.

DeSousa is also involved but he was punished by the ncaa already so it's dumb for them to try to double dip and punish KU a second time. Diallo has nothing to do with the situation.
 
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I didn't say that we shouldn't follow the rules. It just doesn't bother me personally that this rule was broken by Adidas by paying the players.

As for speeding, if you told me that you drive to work at 10 miles over the limit, I wouldn't label you a degenerate and bad mouth you because I also don't have a problem with breaking that law within reason. I have certainly accumulated a good handful of speeding tickets in my day and I paid the fine on each one. Meh.
Of COURSE you're not personally "bothered", your team benefited from an action that was ILLEGAL.
 

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Of COURSE you're not personally "bothered", your team benefited from an action that was ILLEGAL.
I am bothered by the vast majority of violations of the rules, even if KU benefits from it. Just not this one specifically. If Bill Self or someone on his staff gave the kids the money then I would want them fired. But it's a shoe company trying to get in the kids good graces. That's not the same to me.
 
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I am bothered by the vast majority of violations of the rules, even if KU benefits from it. Just not this one specifically. If Bill Self or someone on his staff gave the kids the money then I would want them fired. But it's a shoe company trying to get in the kids good graces. That's not the same to me.
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OK, some rules are dumb. But when the NCAA, in all its pompous glory, presumes to present the public with a product that is knowingly corrupt, as an example of virtue and competition and all that is glorious sport, then hypocrisy is the rule. Nothing else.

Money corrupts. And big money corrupts absolutely. That cow is out of the barn forever.
 
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False.

"The NCAA also included allegations that Gassnola provided $15,000 to an unidentified individual to give to the mother of recruit Deandre Ayton, who signed with Arizona, and that Gassnola "communicated in a text message to Self that he had let Self down" when Ayton signed with the Wildcats. "

Nike beat Adidas' $15,000 payment with a $100,000 payment and Ayton ended up at Arizona.

DeSousa is also involved but he was punished by the ncaa already so it's dumb for them to try to double dip and punish KU a second time. Diallo has nothing to do with the situation.
Ok didn’t remember that but yes Diallo is a part of it. NCAA alleged adidas gave him money to stay at KU for another year and it’s not double dipping bc they aren’t punishing DeSousa again.
 

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False.

"The NCAA also included allegations that Gassnola provided $15,000 to an unidentified individual to give to the mother of recruit Deandre Ayton, who signed with Arizona, and that Gassnola "communicated in a text message to Self that he had let Self down" when Ayton signed with the Wildcats. "

Nike beat Adidas' $15,000 payment with a $100,000 payment and Ayton ended up at Arizona.

DeSousa is also involved but he was punished by the ncaa already so it's dumb for them to try to double dip and punish KU a second time. Diallo has nothing to do with the situation.
So the Adidas money guy tries to buy a player for Kansas but gets overbid so he feels compelled to send a text to the head coach that he failed him and you don't think Kansas and Self were complicit? Wake up and smell the coffee, Mrs. Bueller.
 
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Well...Kansas thinks not being able to shoot 3 pointers between the opponent's free throws is a dumb rule...
It's been 17 years, let it go. The refs spaced out and allowed play to continue and then properly applied what we all would agree is a dumb rule that the missed free throw be performed at the next dead ball and the results of whatever was allowed to happen in the mean time stand. I have no idea if that dumb rule has actually been formally fixed or not.
 

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Ok didn’t remember that but yes Diallo is a part of it. NCAA alleged adidas gave him money to stay at KU for another year and it’s not double dipping bc they aren’t punishing DeSousa again.
Didn't notice the Diallo piece, here it is. Just confirms what I said about Adidas; their first interest is Adidas, not Kansas.

"The NCAA alleged a payment of an unspecified amount was made by Gassnola to Diallo or a representative of the former Jayhawk forward just four days before the team’s season-ending defeat (2015-16) in an attempt to get Diallo to remain at the university for a second season.

KU’s response: Diallo was always considered a one-and-done prospect and wasn’t part of the team’s plans for the future, having not appeared in that season’s final three games. Diallo’s subsequent signing with Adidas points to the payment being incentive for the forward to sign an endorsement deal with the apparel giant, not to remain in school in a move that would delay his agreement."

And KU was right because Diallo signed with Adidas a few months later: https://sgbonline.com/adidas-basketball-adds-eight-to-2016-rookie-class/
 

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OK, some rules are dumb. But when the NCAA, in all its pompous glory, presumes to present the public with a product that is knowingly corrupt, as an example of virtue and competition and all that is glorious sport, then hypocrisy is the rule. Nothing else.

Money corrupts. And big money corrupts absolutely. That cow is out of the barn forever.
Agreed. This entire fight is because the ncaa does not want to share a piece of their very fat pie with players. Period.
 

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Agreed. This entire fight is because the ncaa does not want to share a piece of their very fat pie with players. Period.
I keep hearing this but it looks to me like a huge chunk of the pie is being spent on student athletes.


I know this comes from the NCAA. Let me know if you have a different link that shows that none of the NCAA money is being spent to benefit NCAA scholar athletes.
 

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This is an example of how Bill Self's program operates. DeSousa permanently damaged this guy's eye on January 1st. DeSousa was playing and brawling v. K-State on January 20th.


Grant Davis told a Douglas County judge Tuesday that he felt like it was “getting hit with bricks” when he was struck by former Kansas men’s basketball player Silvio De Sousa in an incident that caused Davis to permanently lose vision in his left eye.

Davis testified for nearly two hours during a preliminary hearing Tuesday — one in which Douglas County Judge Sally Pokorny ruled that prosecutors had enough evidence to take an aggravated battery case against De Sousa to trial.

De Sousa, whose attorney Hatem Chahine put in a not guilty plea on his behalf, has a jury trial set to begin Aug. 2.

Tuesday’s hearing pressed on more than five hours, as both prosecutors and the defense called on witnesses to discuss events surrounding the alleged battery at Brother’s Bar & Grill in Lawrence on Jan. 1, 2020 — nearly a year before De Sousa announced he was leaving the KU basketball team.


 
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This is an example of how Bill Self's program operates. DeSousa permanently damaged this guy's eye on January 1st. DeSousa was playing and brawling v. K-State on January 20th.


Grant Davis told a Douglas County judge Tuesday that he felt like it was “getting hit with bricks” when he was struck by former Kansas men’s basketball player Silvio De Sousa in an incident that caused Davis to permanently lose vision in his left eye.

Davis testified for nearly two hours during a preliminary hearing Tuesday — one in which Douglas County Judge Sally Pokorny ruled that prosecutors had enough evidence to take an aggravated battery case against De Sousa to trial.

De Sousa, whose attorney Hatem Chahine put in a not guilty plea on his behalf, has a jury trial set to begin Aug. 2.

Tuesday’s hearing pressed on more than five hours, as both prosecutors and the defense called on witnesses to discuss events surrounding the alleged battery at Brother’s Bar & Grill in Lawrence on Jan. 1, 2020 — nearly a year before De Sousa announced he was leaving the KU basketball team.



DeSousa was found not guilty of all charges today. Just thought you'd like an update.

 

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DeSousa was found not guilty of all charges today. Just thought you'd like an update.


Of course “not guilty” doesn’t mean “innocent,” it means “not proven beyond all reasonable doubt in the minds of these 12 people who didn’t get out of jury duty.”

I hope and expect most college coaches have higher standards than requiring criminal conviction to hold their players accountable
 

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Of course “not guilty” doesn’t mean “innocent,” it means “not proven beyond all reasonable doubt in the minds of these 12 people who didn’t get out of jury duty.”

I hope and expect most college coaches have higher standards than requiring criminal conviction to hold their players accountable
Self and KU asked DeSousa to leave the program last fall after they learned of the incident. They didn't wait for a criminal conviction so not sure what you are referencing.