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WalkingCY

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I am also baffled by the foul on Melvin after the block. The other guy was laying on the ground and he didn't fall on him, he took a few steps to go after the ball and got called for it. What is he supposed to do on that one?


That one had me going crazy. Just a horrible-horrible call. When it happened, told the wife: this is where the refs are going to screw us from here on out.
 

wonkadog

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That one had me going crazy. Just a horrible-horrible call. When it happened, told the wife: this is where the refs are going to screw us from here on out.

It was the older, balding ref that made that call if I remember. I don't know what in the world he was thinking. Was he all amped up to call a foul on the shot and then when he saw the clean block he couldn't help but follow through with a call of some sort 2 seconds later? I think of any of the questionable calls, that one is the one where there really is no opposing viewpoint. Absolutely awful.
 

Erik4Cy

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Those refs are awful. Big 12 should make them issue an apology to Iowa State for that debacle. Needs to be reviewed or bad officiating in the big 12 and cbb won't stop. I am really excited about our guys and what the Cyclones could do this year. But college bball refs already are making me want football back NOW!
 

ruxCYtable

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Needs to be reviewed or bad officiating in the big 12 and cbb won't stop.

Unfortunately, I don't think it ever will stop. Even if it did, it would never reach the level of perfection to please everyone. I truly think athletes have gotten so big and strong and fast that's it's nearly impossible to officiate consistently well.
 

iahawkhunter

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Unfortunately, I don't think it ever will stop. Even if it did, it would never reach the level of perfection to please everyone. I truly think athletes have gotten so big and strong and fast that's it's nearly impossible to officiate well.

Does this include consideration of changing how the officiating is performed, or are you claiming near-impossibility for the current setup? For example, in another thread someone suggested adding a 4th on-court official.
 

ruxCYtable

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Does this include consideration of changing how the officiating is performed, or are you claiming near-impossibility for the current setup? For example, in another thread someone suggested adding a 4th on-court official.
Little bit of both. If they're serious about improving I think they have to look at some drastic changes. I suggested in another thread getting the officials off the floor so they can see better, perhaps in a volleyball-type nest over the baskets. I know it's way out there but I just think some outside the box thinking is going to be required if we're going to see significant improvement.
 
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IcSyU

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Adding officials will make it marginally better but there simply is just too much movement going on to police it well with 3 or 4 sets of eyes IF they're doing their job well. People like to think, "That ref had the perfect angle! How couldn't he whistle that!" Well, if that ref is doing his job he isn't ball watching the whole time so if that call is out of his zone he shouldn't be seeing it.

Now if you had 10 sets of eyes blowing the whistle it could be to the point nothing gets by, BUT that means a lot of stoppage of play, and as you add sets of eyes, you damn well better make sure everyone is on the same page. You absolutely don't want the guy out top signaling block while the guy under the bucket is signaling for an offensive foul.

Anytime there is subjectivity there are going to be problems no matter how many eyes you put on it, replays you allow, etc.
 

2ndCyCE

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Adding officials will make it marginally better but there simply is just too much movement going on to police it well with 3 or 4 sets of eyes IF they're doing their job well. People like to think, "That ref had the perfect angle! How couldn't he whistle that!" Well, if that ref is doing his job he isn't ball watching the whole time so if that call is out of his zone he shouldn't be seeing it.

Now if you had 10 sets of eyes blowing the whistle it could be to the point nothing gets by, BUT that means a lot of stoppage of play, and as you add sets of eyes, you damn well better make sure everyone is on the same page. You absolutely don't want the guy out top signaling block while the guy under the bucket is signaling for an offensive foul.

Anytime there is subjectivity there are going to be problems no matter how many eyes you put on it, replays you allow, etc.

Is there even a precedent for this? I have no recollection of any craziness ever happening!!! :wideeyed::jimlad:
 

Cycsk

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This has already been discussed ad-nauseam today and you are wrong. Really becoming quite surprised at how many people thought this was the rule.


That was me "Ed Nauseum!" :confused:
 

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I typically don't ever have anything negative to say about Niang but here's one. The shot that put them up by 2 points, you have to contest it by jumping/getting off the ground with a hand in his face. Niang has a few feet on Smart and by standing still with feet planted on the floor all the other guy has to do is jump and he has a clear shot.

Too many times Niang has been called for fouls for just standing on the floor with his arms straight up. About 50% of his fouls are terrible calls but I just wish he'd jump or contest the shot more. (especially when the game is on the line)

The calls/plays that killed us: 1) Ejim's blocked shot turned into foul when the other guy was already laying on the court. 2) Clyburn all over Smart in last possession should have gotten a 5 second call before the pick 3) Inbound play to an out of bounds McGee....you just don't throw that pass 4) Babb practically tackled with ball coming right to him. How is that not 2 shots or a 1 and 1? (You can't have full possesion when you're tackled/hacked) and how come we didn't get the ball from where it was thrown in from? 5) 3 point shot hail mary to end 1st half....are you freaking kidding me? 6) We have to stop fouling 3 point shot attempts and giving the other team a chance for a 4 pt play or 3 free throws. (This has happened in the last 3 games)
 

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I typically don't ever have anything negative to say about Niang but here's one. The shot that put them up by 2 points, you have to contest it by jumping/getting off the ground with a hand in his face. Niang has a few feet on Smart and by standing still with feet planted on the floor all the other guy has to do is jump and he has a clear shot.

Too many times Niang has been called for fouls for just standing on the floor with his arms straight up. About 50% of his fouls are terrible calls but I just wish he'd jump or contest the shot more. (especially when the game is on the line)

The calls/plays that killed us: 1) Ejim's blocked shot turned into foul when the other guy was already laying on the court. 2) Clyburn all over Smart in last possession should have gotten a 5 second call before the pick 3) Inbound play to an out of bounds McGee....you just don't throw that pass 4) Babb practically tackled with ball coming right to him. How is that not 2 shots or a 1 and 1? (You can't have full possesion when you're tackled/hacked) and how come we didn't get the ball from where it was thrown in from? 5) 3 point shot hail mary to end 1st half....are you freaking kidding me? 6) We have to stop fouling 3 point shot attempts and giving the other team a chance for a 4 pt play or 3 free throws. (This has happened in the last 3 games)

I was actually impressed with Georges not shuffling or reaching in and giving them the +1 there :twitcy:
 

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