Leonard Johnson commits.

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Hey, just so you guys know, you can't see a guy's facebook profile unless you have one of your own and are friends with him. If I recall correctly, I think what you guys are thinking about was the guy's "Bogo" page, or something like that, which must be big down there, but not up here. MySpace, obviously, is another big one. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Johnson looks to be a great pick-up. Good height, good speed, hopefully his skills at DB, specifically at CB, are as good as advertised!
 

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don't mean to over state my thoughts here, but I am kinda excited about this recruiting class

Honestly our recruiting class sucks. You have over exagerated this class in your mind. I also almost did it. Then Relized that the experts who have seen these kids ranked us at number 12 out of 12 in the big 12. That is not good. It's also really nothing to be excited about. Leo Johnson sounds good but he is one of our best recruits and he is a 3 star recruit with a few other BCS teams that wanted him.

Not saying that Chizik and Company won't start getting better classes but in all honesty, This one sucks on Paper my friends. Not quite sure what you guys are looking at and I hope they play very well when they get here. But to say we did good compared to other schools is wrong.
 

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Honestly our recruiting class sucks. You have over exagerated this class in your mind. I also almost did it. Then Relized that the experts who have seen these kids ranked us at number 12 out of 12 in the big 12. That is not good. It's also really nothing to be excited about. Leo Johnson sounds good but he is one of our best recruits and he is a 3 star recruit with a few other BCS teams that wanted him.

Not saying that Chizik and Company won't start getting better classes but in all honesty, This one sucks on Paper my friends. Not quite sure what you guys are looking at and I hope they play very well when they get here. But to say we did good compared to other schools is wrong.

Thanks for your blunt assessment. Sometimes when I read Cyclone message boards regarding recruiting and the Spring Game, I always get my expectations up too high.
 

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Not saying that Chizik and Company won't start getting better classes but in all honesty, This one sucks on Paper my friends. Not quite sure what you guys are looking at and I hope they play very well when they get here. But to say we did good compared to other schools is wrong.

You are right, I am not enthusiastic about the players per se, I am excited about where we are getting them from.
 

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This class may suck compared to the upper tier B12, but it is significantly better than anything I can remember over the last 4 or 5 years. It is a move up. If Chizik can steal a victory or two next year and get us to .500, he will continue to attract better recruits. It ain't gonna happen overnight, but I am really encouraged by the way things are going right now. The big reason we don't look better compared to the rest of the big 12 is that the lower tier had tremendous success last year, and consequently, their recruiting has picked up. The next few years in the big 12 are going to be really tough, with BCS caliber teams in the top 4 or 5 positions, in my estimation.
 

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Re: Is leonard johnson the exciting new commit?

Exactly, i think we are way to sheltered here in Iowa. Just because some kid dosnt have a prim and proper facebook dosnt necessarily mean he is going to be a constant trouble maker. Yea it gives us a heads up about what he thinks about life but dont judge em on a facebook account, we are not all from the same background.

agreed, not sheltered either.....

but, when your facebook pledges allegiance to the largest gang in your region and your choice of allegiances has a history of a high degree of violence, that is a pretty clear cut pledge for the potential of problems....not stereotyping of anyone or an individuals choices, its a matter of fact.

For our coaches, when you invest the type of money not only into the student-athletes schooling but also the recruiting, you cannot just give them a pass if the potential is obvious.....

IMHO.....Get Wright and let Pressley sign with Ol Miss.....
 

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Re: Is leonard johnson the exciting new commit?

I was with you about Presley until they showed his Facebook link on here - NO WAY....not worth it.....
I have no idea how good this guy is and I did not get to see his Facebook page. I do know that if they had Facebook, or even the internet for that matter, when I was 18 I am afraid what kind of page I could come up with and would hate to be judge only on that one thing.
 

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Its not all about stars, you all should know that by now. Dont get me wrong 4 and 5 star guys help but it is also about developing players. Give this staff 2 years with guys and them make your mind up on this class. They made great strides with making the current players better in a short amount of time.
 

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while this class isn't exactly dazzling with ratings, it does look a lot more promising then last years class just based on the athleticism of the players we are getting
 

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Honestly our recruiting class sucks. You have over exagerated this class in your mind. I also almost did it. Then Relized that the experts who have seen these kids ranked us at number 12 out of 12 in the big 12. That is not good. It's also really nothing to be excited about. Leo Johnson sounds good but he is one of our best recruits and he is a 3 star recruit with a few other BCS teams that wanted him.

Not saying that Chizik and Company won't start getting better classes but in all honesty, This one sucks on Paper my friends. Not quite sure what you guys are looking at and I hope they play very well when they get here. But to say we did good compared to other schools is wrong.

Couple of items to disagree about....

For a new coach, you have to establish recruiting channels to get the inside track and excel at landing not only recruits today, but also in the future if your connections are good. I think our staff is developing those ties to several schools in Florida and Texas and can anyone really argue with the two states that produce the most D-1 talent....

IMO our class has some talent, but, i think they're recruiting guys they know need work to be very good D1 players. Like we've said so many times, you can teach someone how to read and react, you cannot teach someone speed. I think were recruiting very talented lineman and regardless of your thoughts, you win in the trenches, everything else is toppings....

I also see one thing which is what we need to do that Coach Mac did very little of....Your OL and DL recruits definately need to redshirt.....very few will walk in as a starter and if they do, thats not saying a lot about your returners....The physique of a 18 year old eating at McDonalds is not the same as a 19-20 year working out with a S&C coach and eating refined meals....

Coach Shep will generate a physical team, that i'm not worried about because we've already seen this to be true.

Our class is all about potential.....Our coaches have made the decision to pick up 2-3* athletes and coach them.....4-5* athletes come in with the baggage of being a "STUD" and we've seen out east that those guys are not always the better players.....

Fear not, let the class play out.....If your sitting in the recruiting room with our staff and they say were getting players we didnt want, well then i will get concerned...maybe our coaches have an ability to judge talent....(i.e. two coaches Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcels - both of them are known for their ability to see players that know how to play each in their own way) These two guys would take lower rated guys and turn them into superstars.....Not saying Chiz and his staff are either, but, both those coaches were selecting players based on talent and at that level, they have departments that handle that stuff so how do these two have the ability to see it before anyone else....its a gift, the ability to see something that someone else does not see...

I will hold my judgement until these guys are on the field and getting whipped....then i will say, wow we had a bad class....
 
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Honestly our recruiting class sucks. You have over exagerated this class in your mind. I also almost did it. Then Relized that the experts who have seen these kids ranked us at number 12 out of 12 in the big 12. That is not good. It's also really nothing to be excited about. Leo Johnson sounds good but he is one of our best recruits and he is a 3 star recruit with a few other BCS teams that wanted him.

Not saying that Chizik and Company won't start getting better classes but in all honesty, This one sucks on Paper my friends. Not quite sure what you guys are looking at and I hope they play very well when they get here. But to say we did good compared to other schools is wrong.

Way to have a positive attitude! I'll bet you're lots of fun at parties. Just kidding.

I understand where you are coming from. The last thing that we want to do is get a big head about recent recruits. There is a reason why the class is ranked as low as it is. That being said, looking at the competition for some of these guys has to make you feel good. If Leo Johnson (didn't murder Laura Palmer) was being recruited by West Virginia, and he still decided on ISU, then Chizik must be doing something right. Only time will tell, but there's definitely room for optimism.
 

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Honestly our recruiting class sucks. You have over exagerated this class in your mind. I also almost did it. Then Relized that the experts who have seen these kids ranked us at number 12 out of 12 in the big 12. That is not good. It's also really nothing to be excited about. Leo Johnson sounds good but he is one of our best recruits and he is a 3 star recruit with a few other BCS teams that wanted him.

Not saying that Chizik and Company won't start getting better classes but in all honesty, This one sucks on Paper my friends. Not quite sure what you guys are looking at and I hope they play very well when they get here. But to say we did good compared to other schools is wrong.

We all realize were not getting a Top 10 recruiting class this year or next, but its a step in the right direction. This class wont blow anyone away on paper, but its a good thing we have good coaches and play it on the field. Coaching has a lot to do with how good guys will be when they arrive.

Why not get excited about finally beating out other BCS teams for some decent players. Most of these guys had actual offers from those schools. Usually we get stuck with leftovers that noone wants.

Maybe you could tell us why this class sucks so bad. I wouldnt put a lot of stock into what Rivals says. They are just one site. There are several sites, only the top hundred or two players are even remotely close to being similar on most of them.

Here's a few thing I like about this class.

*1 possibly 2 6'6", 300 lb OL that arent big tubs of goo like we once recruited. Hopefully Haughton will be a DT.
*Players that dont need to add 40-50 lbs to play their position in college.
*DL that are taller than 6' and weigh more than 215lbs.
*Athletes that will be able to play 2 or 3 positions
*DB's that had offers from BCS schools

Sorry for the length, but its a lil early to be this negative about kids that have yet to sign.
 

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Re: Is leonard johnson the exciting new commit?

I have no idea how good this guy is and I did not get to see his Facebook page. I do know that if they had Facebook, or even the internet for that matter, when I was 18 I am afraid what kind of page I could come up with and would hate to be judge only on that one thing.

GOOD POINT.....
 

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Here's a few thing I like about this class.

*1 possibly 2 6'6", 300 lb OL that arent big tubs of goo like we once recruited. Hopefully Haughton will be a DT.
*Players that dont need to add 40-50 lbs to play their position in college.
*DL that are taller than 6' and weigh more than 215lbs.
*Athletes that will be able to play 2 or 3 positions
*DB's that had offers from BCS schools

Sorry for the length, but its a lil early to be this negative about kids that have yet to sign.

Great post...i agree 100%.......
 

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I will take Chizik and his staffs' opinions over what the Rivals/Scout experts believe.

Don't you think if the guys/gals at Rivals/Scout were such great talent evaluators they would be in coaching and not on the internet? If they are that good at evaluating recruits, I would like to think there would be positions on coaching staffs that strictly evaluate talent.
 

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I think people are reacting to knownothing's post a little defensively. If they were signing only 3, 4, and 5 star guys everybody would be quick to point out how awesome it is to get a bunch of rated players. That isn't happening so we're quick to point out how we'll develop the guys. Don't get me wrong, I'm really excited about a lot of these players. I think they'll be great additions to the team and we know Chizik isn't recruiting the same kind of guy as Mac based simply on the fact that the kid from Grinnell is now going to UNI.

Ratings go out the window once a guy has a few years with the program. Let's see the staff earn their paychecks and get the best out of the guys both in the weight room and on the practice field.
 

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Several of the schools that have higher rankings are pulling lots of JUCO's.

A program like Iowa State must get Freshmen and hope they can stay with the program 4-5 years. Our success will be based upon development and keep guys around.

JUCO's are a nice stop gap, especially if you get guys who can be around for 3 years. But please no more 2 year JUCO guys. Glad to see that we only have signed 1 so far.
 

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KMAC you are right, the gang issue should not be overstated, but from what was said earlier i just dont think we should pass up on a guy just because he posted a page about himself on the internet. now if he had a history with the law thats another story but you shouldnt judge him solely on what he puts about himself on the internet.
 

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Hey, just so you guys know, you can't see a guy's facebook profile unless you have one of your own and are friends with him. If I recall correctly, I think what you guys are thinking about was the guy's "Bogo" page, or something like that, which must be big down there, but not up here. MySpace, obviously, is another big one. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Johnson looks to be a great pick-up. Good height, good speed, hopefully his skills at DB, specifically at CB, are as good as advertised!



umm not so much.. u dont have to have a facebook account.. and some profiles are not "locked" so u can view them..

and once again u cant judge sombody by their facebook,myspace,bebo, netlog or what ever thing they have