Let's have a serious discussion about CPR
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Ask why our defense has highs and lows but eventually improves and often plays at a level above where they are in terms of talent. Ask why our offense never does this. The problem all boils down to that.
We play in a conference with probably the best offenses in college football...we can never put it together on offense, not even for portions of one season. It's especially frustrating now that we happen to have WR talent that actually is in the ballpark of the best B12 offenses.
Last year our D was just bad. In the other years under CPR/Wally it has generally been good with the total collapses coming because the offense keeps them on the field all day. It has always been the offense that's the huge fault, there's something perceived as more manly about blaming defense/pitching for a sports team's troubles that I will never get. It's the O and hit has been the O.
We play in a conference with probably the best offenses in college football...we can never put it together on offense, not even for portions of one season. It's especially frustrating now that we happen to have WR talent that actually is in the ballpark of the best B12 offenses.
Last year our D was just bad. In the other years under CPR/Wally it has generally been good with the total collapses coming because the offense keeps them on the field all day. It has always been the offense that's the huge fault, there's something perceived as more manly about blaming defense/pitching for a sports team's troubles that I will never get. It's the O and hit has been the O.
Because of a ******* loss in a rivalry game? Some of you are amazing.
I would like to know what you have watched over the course of the last 26 games that suggests any other than missing a bowl game with 1-4 wins total. I'm not trying to pick at you, just curious as to what gives you such optimism.
I'm just gonna say yes because you look like such a jack *** with that line of thought that you're going to need some feel good in your life.
Until we can run the ball at all, we won't win any game outside of KU, thats the truth. Teams will just rush 4 and drop 7. You cant win at any level of football without a running game and there is no arguing that.
Disappointing loss. Mangino and the Offense get the blame IMO. They did not show up for the second half. The play calling was horrific. The hesitant indecisive play of our QB needs to be addressed. Make a decision and do it. He who hesitates is lost.
This team must now regroup quickly to face a Toledo team that upset Arkansas at Arkansas. It was considered a probability that we could lose a non-conference game. Now, we have no margin for error. The Offense has been disappointing. We need some imagination and some unpredictability in our offense.
This team must now regroup quickly to face a Toledo team that upset Arkansas at Arkansas. It was considered a probability that we could lose a non-conference game. Now, we have no margin for error. The Offense has been disappointing. We need some imagination and some unpredictability in our offense.
Oh, so why are we re-hashing all of the same **** after this loss? I fully expect that when we beat Toledo and KU we will be having these same discussions at the same level of derpitude at that point as well. The mass freakout is due to this one game as if it's unfathomable that we could lose a close game to a team we have pretty mcuh split with over and period you want to take out of the last 20 years.
If we don't win 6 games Rhoads needs to be fired but I'm not going to throw a fit like a child when we lose one game to a rival like everyone else wants to. That game has never been an accurate representation of either teams seasons so I"m going to wait and watch the next 1-3 games. Pretty much, if we lose either of the next two, Rhoads is gone. I happen to think all three are winnable and if that happens things will quiet down significantly.
I'm not saying we're a good team it all. We may be awful. I'm just not going to use the Iowa game as any sort of indicator.
Thats fair. My take, obviously representative of just me, is that after 2 years of seemingly no player development, its not out of the question to have the debate on CPRs future or his possible replacements. I will happily eat crow if proven wrong. I just don't see anything that suggests ISU can make those big improvements.
They did? I seem to remember they ran a lot out of the pistol and zone read. They also used wider spits and all sorts of formations.
Well if you aren't going to use this game as an indicator then you're just going to cherry pick the games you want to use as indicators? There was a game, things happened in the game, there's plenty to learn from here.
Because the same **** that has been a factor in the losses over the last 2.5 years was a factor in this loss? IMO, the fact that the same nagging problems never get corrected is a legitimate point of discussion regarding the current head coach.
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Bingo. There was nothing unique about the loss to Iowa. We've seen it too many times where halftime adjustments absolutely kill Paul.
I have said it multiple times and probably will say it a lot more. I think CPR is a good coach, he makes good decisions on running fakes on 4th down. He is a guy that would be a lifer here, not using us as a stepping stone. He gets ISU. He is a local guy that loves ISU. His defenses have been his best part of his teams, he has the same philosophy as Wally, they work well together. But I think he needs to let go of the idea of a spread offense, it really hasnt been outstanding in his 7 years here. I say he has been a tad bit stubborn about wanting that type of offense. I dont know much about offenses and i dont really care to at this point, but he needs to fix the offense! I have never been inpressed with our OL coaches, they cant block sqat! I love CPR, but we need to dump the spread crap and find something that works. We haven't been outstanding on offense since Steve Loney was here.!!!!!!
What makes you say that? Is it the "getting outcoached after the half" that repeats itself on endless loop, or the blatant lack of development at any single position from the time recruits arrive to the time they leave? Is it because it's just as likely that one of our players will transfer to another school (or quit the game altogether) as it is they will finish a 4-5 year career at ISU?
How can you type the bolded statement with a straight face?
Here is how you win at a place like Iowa State: You recruit overlooked players from talent-rich states that fit your system. You develop them so that when they are juniors and seniors, they can compete with the 4* freshmen that the big boys recruit that come in ready to play from day one.
This year (and next year, if there is one) should be the years that prove whether CPR has done this or not. I'm waiting a few more games to make my own judgement, but I can't blame anyone who says that it has already failed.
