line ups when the 4 players out come back

[Halincandenza]

You downplayed him being here. That article was written within two weeks of him arriving and the season ended 2 months later. Unless he was sitting at practice on his phone I'm sure he was still learning things.

I didn't say he didn't receive any "great" benefit. Didn't say he didn't receive "any" benefit. But your argument was that he won't improve that much from last year to this year but you are acting like he improved by leaps and bounds from a couple months of weights and individual workouts. That is a strange take. But who cares really? Even if he hasn't improved from last year, he is still a damn good player and glad he is still at ISU.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I am just glad we will have both Jacobson and Lard, not to mention at some point Young. When is the last time ISU had that kind of depth on the interior?

Brackins, Hamilton, Vanderbeken, and Dendy?

Mr. Wookie had some good big men while he was in Ames.

I always thought guards were our problem during that era.

 

[FinalFourCy]

We're a better defense than a year ago. You can't say we're a better defense because of Jacobson considering we're a better defense when Conditt is in instead of Jacobson.

Your opinion not only neglects stats and basketball fundamentals, but now logic and basic math.

Jacobson is playing a vast majority of the minutes this has contributed to a bulk of the data going into the improvement. We’re statistically a better defense with Nate Schuster in, but Nate Schuster isn’t the reason why our defensive ratings are better than a year ago.

Even if we are better defensively in the small amount time Conditt’s played, that doesn’t at all mean our overall improvement in the other minutes isn’t from Jacobson. We could put in Lebron for 5 minutes a game and that would be our best defense, but that doesn’t mean Jacobson isn’t the reason when he’s in.

 

[IASTATE07]

I didn't say he didn't receive any "great" benefit. Didn't say he didn't receive "any" benefit. But your argument was that he won't improve that much from last year to this year but you are acting like he improved by leaps and bounds from a couple months of weights and individual workouts. That is a strange take. But who cares really? Even if he hasn't improved from last year, he is still a damn good player and glad he is still at ISU.

Now you're putting words into my mouth and still trying to downplay him being here in January as opposed to June/July. This is Lard's third season in the program and I'm just not sure how big of a jump he will make.

 

[Halincandenza]

Now you're putting words into my mouth and still trying to downplay him being here in January as opposed to June/July. This is Lard's third season in the program and I'm just not sure how big of a jump he will make.

Cool.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Brackins, Hamilton, Vanderbeken, and Dendy?

Mr. Wookie had some good big men while he was in Ames.

I always thought guards were our problem during that era.

Wasn’t Gilstrap on that team, too?

The one with Hubalek, Brackins, WJ (injured?), Clark, and Thompson (being generous) was decent.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Brackins, Hamilton, Vanderbeken, and Dendy?

Mr. Wookie had some good big men while he was in Ames.

I always thought guards were our problem during that era.

We were never short of talent. Just short of people who knew what to do with it.

 

[cycloneG]

Your opinion not only neglects stats and basketball fundamentals, but now logic and basic math.

Jacobson is playing a vast majority of the minutes this has contributed to a bulk of the data going into the improvement. We’re statistically a better defense with Nate Schuster in, but Nate Schuster isn’t the reason why our defensive ratings are better than a year ago.

Even if we are better defensively in the small amount time Conditt’s played, that doesn’t at all mean our overall improvement in the other minutes isn’t from Jacobson. We could put in Lebron for 5 minutes a game and that would be our best defense, but that doesn’t mean Jacobson isn’t the reason when he’s in.

I'm not giving an opinion on anything. I'm just relaying facts. We're better defensively this year than last year. Lard was our best defensive player last year. Jacobson is one of our worst defensive players this year.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Wasn’t Gilstrap on that team, too?

Yes, though was he really a "big" man, in that era, especially?

He would be a great small-ball 4 or 5 in 2018, but maybe not so much in 2008.

JVB was hurt early into that season, though.

Brackins/Hamilton/Gilstrap/Dendy is still a pretty nice setup.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I'm not giving an opinion on anything. I'm just relaying facts. We're better defensively this year than last year. Lard was our best defensive player last year. Jacobson is one of our worst defensive players this year.

You’ve given nothing but opinions completely void of facts. And have relied on some embarrassingly bad logic to do so.

The fact is Jacobson is a better defender than Lard.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Yes, though was he really a "big" man, in that era, especially?

He would be a great small-ball 4 or 5 in 2018, but maybe not so much in 2008.

JVB was hurt early into that season, though.

Brackins/Hamilton/Gilstrap/Dendy is still a pretty nice setup.

I thought he was a front court guy. I guess 9 years ago that didn’t mean what it does today. By 2010-11 he would have been, see Ejim’s freshman year under Fred. Had Gilstrap or Clark played for Fred they would have great small ball fours

 

[VeloClone]

Frankly I see it as Lard being the player with the lower floor and higher ceiling. You know what you are going to get from Jacobson from game to game and it is a good game with excellent effort and smart team play. With Lard you may have All-American play and chemistry killing sulking all in the same game. If we can have good Lard practically all of the time he is a no brainer. If we continue to have up and down Lard with him killing chemistry at crucial points of a game, we aren't necessarily a better team with him on the floor.

As far as defense goes, I don't know what the stats say but I know what I have seen on the floor. Lard was great at blocking and altering shots, but we had to count on Solo when we needed to muscle a strong big and he was nothing short of awful in defending the PnR which every team knew and exploited. As far as defensive metrics go, I tend to think some of those errors in team defense tend to get charged to the wrong player - especially in the PnR or a player failing to rotate when a teammate helps on D. He may have only averaged 2.8 F per game but there were a lot of games where the 2 came early in the first half which meant he was collecting slivers until half time. With all of the help this year - so what; next man in.

I'll be excited to see both of them play because I don't think you can go wrong.

 

[cycloneG]

You’ve given nothing but opinions completely void of facts. And have relied on some embarrassingly bad logic to do so.

The fact is Jacobson is a better defender than Lard.

Ah, I see now. You're trolling me. Well played. At least we can agree that Lard is a better defender than Jacobson. I thought for a minute you were serious.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Frankly I see it as Lard being the player with the lower floor and higher ceiling. You know what you are going to get from Jacobson from game to game and it is a good game with excellent effort and smart team play. With Lard you may have All-American play and chemistry killing sulking all in the same game. If we can have good Lard practically all of the time he is a no brainer. If we continue to have up and down Lard with him killing chemistry at crucial points of a game, we aren't necessarily a better team with him on the floor.

As far as defense goes, I don't know what the stats say but I know what I have seen on the floor. Lard was great at blocking and altering shots, but we had to count on Solo when we needed to muscle a strong big and he was nothing short of awful in defending the PnR which every team knew and exploited. As far as defensive metrics go, I tend to think some of those errors in team defense tend to get charged to the wrong player - especially in the PnR or a player failing to rotate when a teammate helps on D. He may have only averaged 2.8 F per game but there were a lot of games where the 2 came early in the first half which meant he was collecting slivers until half time. With all of the help this year - so what; next man in.

I'll be excited to see both of them play because I don't think you can go wrong.

Lard could use an Ejim to chew him out a few times.

Or a Naz to befriend him and pull him up.

I think we have more of that sort of stuff on this team compared to last year.

 

[NoCreativity]

What part don’t you understand?

You obviously are the one with the comprehension problem not me. You say all of Lard's production this year is based off hope and Jacobson already has a 6 game sample size. I guess you dont know that Lard was on the team last year? If you do then you are completely dismissing his performance last year saying that has no indication on how he will play this year. Thats completely ridiculous.

 

[VeloClone]

You obviously are the one with the comprehension problem not me. You say all of Lard's production this year is based off hope and Jacobson already has a 6 game sample size. I guess you dont know that Lard was on the team last year? If you do then you are completely dismissing his performance last year saying that has no indication on how he will play this year. Thats completely ridiculous.

What I have seen him say is you cannot assume a certain level of improvement over last year.

 

[NoCreativity]

What I have seen him say is you cannot assume a certain level of improvement over last year.

So he's reached his ceiling after 1 year in otherwords? Got it.

 

[cycloneG]

Frankly I see it as Lard being the player with the lower floor and higher ceiling. You know what you are going to get from Jacobson from game to game and it is a good game with excellent effort and smart team play. With Lard you may have All-American play and chemistry killing sulking all in the same game. If we can have good Lard practically all of the time he is a no brainer. If we continue to have up and down Lard with him killing chemistry at crucial points of a game, we aren't necessarily a better team with him on the floor.

As far as defense goes, I don't know what the stats say but I know what I have seen on the floor. Lard was great at blocking and altering shots, but we had to count on Solo when we needed to muscle a strong big and he was nothing short of awful in defending the PnR which every team knew and exploited. As far as defensive metrics go, I tend to think some of those errors in team defense tend to get charged to the wrong player - especially in the PnR or a player failing to rotate when a teammate helps on D. He may have only averaged 2.8 F per game but there were a lot of games where the 2 came early in the first half which meant he was collecting slivers until half time. With all of the help this year - so what; next man in.

I'll be excited to see both of them play because I don't think you can go wrong.

Advanced statistics in terms of offensive and defensive performance relate to how the team performs as a whole when a specific player is on the floor. So if a player makes a mistake that causes another player's man to score, everyone on the floor takes a hit.

 

[Sigmapolis]

We likely have two starter-quality posts, nay, we might have two of the better big men in the conference, one with versatility and range, and the other a potential monster on the glass, around the rim, and running the floor against exhausted defenses.

If all goes to plan, we will always have at least one of them on the floor. Houston built a team with 48 of all-star PG play that nearly toppled the Warriors last season, and probably would have if CP3 was healthy, and we can have 40 of all-conference play at the 5.

And here we are arguing about which should play with meager data to back it up.

I mean, all these are good problems to have, right? I really wish we had six guys who deserved to start on a good team last year and as many as four deserving bench players.

 

[FinalFourCy]

You say all of Lard's production this year is based off hope and Jacobson already has a 6 game sample size. I guess you dont know that Lard was on the team last year? If you do then you are completely dismissing his performance last year saying that has no indication on how he will play this year. Thats completely ridiculous.

Link to where I contend any of this? I’m not stating he wasn’t good last year, or even that he won’t improve. But there are many outcomes for that improvement- a little to a lot. We hope the latter.

What I did point out was that the poster was dismissing Jacobson’s play due to a small sample yet in the same post alluded to some possible improvement in Lard as being a reason we cannot say Jacobson is better. Do you see how that is contradictory? One is based on 20% of the season, the other on hope that Lard has tangibly improved and changed. Even if he has not, he’ll be a great asset, but imo not nearly as good as Jacobson.

You better take up your beef with that poster, as they also inferred it’s not valid to use past performance. Ridiculous, I know.