If I was watching my favorite NFL team and they played a game like last night, I would assume the coaches were tanking the game for a better draft pick. That’s how bad the coaching was last night
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Were you here for the CPR era? I think he was 8-28 the last three seasons and the rumor was that JP was going to bring him back for another season if he beat K-state. Not been a great year but Iowa state cannot afford to be SEC schools. I think deserves some time to figure things out.
Especially when you care more about the coach than the program.
The Manning offense over the previous few seasons, I called it the useless motion offense. Why? For reasons like this. They would put Kolar, Allen, Rus, Sam S, etc out wide and not once, did they ever call a play with them out wide. They would always come in motion. There was never any reason to guard them when they lined up out wide, and it got to the point where no one would guard these guys out wide and they still wouldn’t hike the ball with them out wide. It was putting guys out, just to put them in motion for no reason. Completely useless. Useless motion offense. Useless offensive coaching staff.
Wouldn’t this have been flagged for illegal formation if the ball had been snapped before the motion based on the number of players on the line of scrimmage? You need at least 7. The defense didn’t need to defend it unless the motion changed that, but then they likely would have adjusted too.
There's 7 on the line before the motion in. 5 OL, #2 on the bottom, #87 up top
I'm been critical of the play calling of Manning but I don't think he's the problem. Lets take a look at the one position group that has performed the worst under MC. And I'm tired of hearing about how it's not all their fault because RB missed a hole BS.
He has zero creativity and almost no ability to be a COO (chief offense officer). Campbell absolutely deserves blame for this mess, but Manning is just a terrible offensive manager and the constant, repeated issues are the biggest red flag. Campbell made several bad hires in that side of the ball and if he doesn't fix them this off-season, his days will quickly be numbered.
Sorry, and I mean no disrespect but that was almost 50 years ago and a completely different time. In the modern history of the sport nobody has done what Campbell has.
For the record Campbell won the Fiesta bowl and Bruce was 0-2 in his bowls.
Just a couple notes on these accomplishments. A 9 win season is a little different today as we play a 12 game season when it used to be 11. And of course with bowl wins, it is so much easier to get to a bowl game now so wins are easier to get as well .
I am not even close to being on the fire CMC train, but you do need to have perspective when we say we can't do better than him because of how he compares to our history. The modern landscape of college football is a much different deal than even 20 years ago. And for much of ISUs history we made basically no effort to even try to be decent at football. At times I would say our admin actively worked against it. The situation with ISU football today is far different than it ever has been, and thus so is the potential.
Or I’m just not jumping ship at the first disappointment of a season. And still have faith he’ll correct the shortcomings in the off-season.
In 2020, ISU only played 11 games before the Bowl Game, so it was 9-3 compared to Bruce's 8-4 best 12 game seasons. He did have the 8-3 season without a Bowl that could have been a 9-3 season with a win, but he had some fluff OOC wins too. Meanwhile, the 9 wins in 2020 were all Power Conference wins (8 Big Xii + 1 Pac 12) with no fluff OOC wins. I still think Bruce was as good or better HC than MC, but 2020 was better than any year Bruce had.
He moves in mysterious ways I suppose. Punting and surrendering the game last night was just part of a grander plan to return the team to simply correcting short comings. Now I see it!
Also if anyone was around back then, Iowa State facilities were the worst in the country. Just nothing to work with. Campbell, and I’m a Campbell fan, has much better facilities to work with.
One year, Danny Mac had a 9-3 season too. We really get a lot of mileage out of a year where quite a few people were saying it was too dangerous to even snap the ball in the field.
Earle Bruce achieved three 8 win seasons in a row. Matt has not achieved that and blew that chance in 2019 despite having more games and more chances to reach 8 wins before the pandemic season was even in the mix.
There were only 15 bowl games during Bruce’s tenure.
Finally, since so many care more about the coach than Iowa State the football program. Earle Bruce was hired at Ohio State and came within one point of an undefeated National Championship team with the same players legendary Woody Hayes gave a 7-4-1 season the year before. How many think any power five program with a pulse is knocking down Campbell’s door now?
Earle Bruce did more with less and achieved more objectively. Matt keeps up his current streak and his winning percentage (which only matters when we say it does) will be below Bruce’s.
While Campbell has definitely had better facilities than Bruce had, the difference between the haves and have nots was not as pronounced back then as it is now. Plus, Bruce did have the shiny new Cyclone Stadium starting in 1975. There were plenty of programs in the 1970s that were at the same level or worse than ISU facility-wise.
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I'm a Bruce fan all the way, just answered a question about "some" things MC did that Bruce didn't. As for the number of Bowl Games, that is not as relevant as what happened once in the Bowl Games. I didn't mention going to more Bowl Games because of the current Bowl proliferation.
However, MC did win two Bowl Games against the Pac-12 Champion in 2020 and the AAC Divisional Champion on their home field in 2017. Just those two games alone were better than the two Bowl losses Bruce had including the 1978 Hall of Fame Bowl @ Legion Field vs. Texas A&M (7-4) that was my first Cyclone Game to see in person!
P.S. Good call on Danny Mac's 2000 team! Loved that team and season. However, they had some fluff OOC wins, didn't have the best record in the Big Xii and didn't finish in the top 10 with a Major Bowl win over the Pac-12 Champion like the 2020 team did.
Nice to see another Johnnie here - have been my entire life. FYI - John is still the winningest coach in college football history (at least by number of wins) and will never be touched. Good man and Great coach who I knew personally. While he cared for his players immensely, he also knew the bottom line was winning (and did it more than any other coach in history). Amazing ability to break down film and identify minute flaws in other teams.
I took Theory of Football and Sports Medicine taught by John (although SM was mainly about getting dates for the guys in the class with the women in the course
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