Lucious vs Gesell

[Gitwitit]

U obviously don't read HN. 80% of them think gessell will avg at least 8ppg and 4.5apg. some even have him over 5 a game which is asinine. Then about 70% think woodbury will avg at least 8ppg 6rpg and 1.5bpg. And that's AT LEAST. idk they are just expecting way to much from true freshman. there in for a major letdown.

And our class is WAY below there's?? I'm pretty sure there's is in the 20's and ours is in the 30's. We both have 2 top 125 players, iowas are ranked just slightly higher.

What did Basabe average as a freshman? What did White average as a freshman? Two years in a row they have had a freshman step in and put up those numbers. I think Gesell has a chance to score 8 pts and average 4 assts if he ends up being the starter. Iowa actually has some depth with their bigs next year so I'm not sure Woodbury will get enough minutes to put up those numbers, but to say it is expecting way to much is just not true.

I honestly think Gessell is going to be challenged by Clemmons out of Michigan. Fran is going to play the 5 best players and that could possibly mean Marble starting at PG again...I know that's not what they want to do, but it's a possibility.

Either way they have a nice group of young players. They play uptempo so they are going to put up pts and have a lot of assists.

 

[Gitwitit]

Hmmm White 4 star recruit on Rivals, or a Point guard thats played in 2 Final 4s and won a NCAA game with a buzzer beater? Tough decision.

Lucious averaged 6.5 ppg and 4 asts while shooting 34% from the field and 28.4% from 3....as a junior. He's a nice addition to your team but he is nothing special.

But I'm sure that he is better than his statistics show.

 

[tm3308]

Lucious averaged 6.5 ppg and 4 asts while shooting 34% from the field and 28.4% from 3....as a junior. He's a nice addition to your team but he is nothing special.

But I'm sure that he is better than his statistics show.

This. I don't expect Gesell to have a better year or impact than Lucious this year, but Lucious isn't any kind of superstar. If it hadn't been for the buzzer-beater he hit, he'd have been as (relatively) anonymous as Chris Allen was when he came to ISU. Obviously, if Lucious brings that kind of impact, ISU will be just fine (and I think he'll be a little better).

Then again, the OP wasn't comparing the two in the first place.

 

[CycloneWarrior]

Hmmm White 4 star recruit on Rivals, or a Point guard thats played in 2 Final 4s and won a NCAA game with a buzzer beater? Tough decision.

WhY does it matter if gessell is white or not?

 

[IbSvU]

WhY does it matter if gessell is white or not?

Because white basketball players tend to be less athletic than black basketball players. There are exceptions however.

 

[tm3308]

You right Gessell should not be mentioned in the same ball park as the guys you mentioned.

Which is exactly what he said. But saying all freshman point guards struggle is false. The elite ones do just fine.

Gesell's not elite, and I've got reservations about starting a true freshman at the point (Which is going to be the case whether it's Gesell or Clemmons. Marble won't be the starter, though he will get minutes at the point.). I think he'll end up being an excellent player for Iowa, but I'm not expecting huge things in his first year. I'm expecting a career progression more along the lines of a Horner or Hinrich. Not from a talent perspective, but I think it will be at least a year, maybe two, before Gesell really picks up his game. Which is just how Horner and Hinrich progressed.

 

[Gitwitit]

This. I don't expect Gesell to have a better year or impact than Lucious this year, but Lucious isn't any kind of superstar. If it hadn't been for the buzzer-beater he hit, he'd have been as (relatively) anonymous as Chris Allen was when he came to ISU. Obviously, if Lucious brings that kind of impact, ISU will be just fine (and I think he'll be a little better).

Then again, the OP wasn't comparing the two in the first place.

Allen is the better of the two, especially scoring wise and even defensively.

 

[CycloneWarrior]

Because white basketball players tend to be less athletic than black basketball players. There are exceptions however.

That's a ridiculous statement. White people are every bit as athletic. Skin color does not determine athletic ability.

 

[IbSvU]

Allen is the better of the two, especially scoring wise and even defensively.

How can you say this? Lucious can easily be a better player for Iowa State. He seems much more cerebral than Allen, which is an attribute too often overlooked.

 

[IbSvU]

That's a ridiculous statement. White people are every bit as athletic. Skin color does not determine athletic ability.

Don't remember saying that, nor do I believe that. Athletic ability determines athletic ability. It's not a ridiculous statement, it's a generalization.

I hope you are not being serious.

 

[cyclones500]

Hmmm White 4 star recruit on Rivals, or a Point guard thats played in 2 Final 4s and won a NCAA game with a buzzer beater? Tough decision.

Most enticing part about Fred's comments on Lucious: "I’m looking forward to getting out and running, and we’ve got some guys who can run. We’ll be an exciting team to watch."

I think the 2011-12 team could have used the transition more frequently. But my hunch is, Hoiberg needed to establish fundamentally-sound defense first — notice the improvement in rebounding and overall team defense throughout the season.

Much easier to start a break after a miss, and higher priority to make a stop than turn it into a quick score.

Another break-initiator is steals. Lucious has sub-1.0 spg average. But maybe with Babb as a lockdown defender, could that open it up a bit?

Being steal-oriented is high-risk/high-reward.

It'll be interesting to see how this takes shape.

 

[WIB]

Hmmm White 4 star recruit on Rivals, or a Point guard thats played in 2 Final 4s and won a NCAA game with a buzzer beater? Tough decision.

WhY does it matter if gessell is white or not?

Sterotyping him. But really, would you rather have a white basketball player, or a black one? Im whiter than a sheet of paper and id take black everytime.

 

[tm3308]

That's a ridiculous statement. White people are every bit as athletic. Skin color does not determine athletic ability.

Which is why professional football, basketball, and Olympic sprinting are all dominated by African-Americans.

Does skin color determine athletic ability? No. But that's not what he said. He said white players are typically less athletic. That's not really debatable. It's true.

 

[tm3308]

Sterotyping him. But really, would you rather have a white basketball player, or a black one? Im whiter than a sheet of paper and id take black everytime.

Now THIS is a ridiculous statement. Would I rather have Larry Bird, or Luol Deng?

 

[CycloneWarrior]

Don't remember saying that, nor do I believe that. Athletic ability determines athletic ability. It's not a ridiculous statement, it's a generalization.

I hope you are not being serious.

I dont want to get into a big argument. That's what the first guy was insinuating by including "white" as a negative when comparing him to lucious. And generalizations are ridiculous statements/thoughts.

 

[CycloneWarrior]

Which is why professional football, basketball, and Olympic sprinting are all dominated by African-Americans.

Does skin color determine athletic ability? No. But that's not what he said. He said white players are typically less athletic. That's not really debatable. It's true.

Is there scientific proof that black people are more athletic? Serious question

 

[IbSvU]

Is there scientific proof that black people are more athletic? Serious question

Good God, just watch any professional football or basketball game. When is the last time you saw someone white do what Lebron James does?

 

[aeazy]

Good God, just watch any professional football or basketball game. When is the last time you saw someone white do what Lebron James does?

Ummm.. Apparently you have heard of Brian Scalabrini...

 

[IbSvU]

Ummm.. Apparently you have heard of Brian Scalabrini...

Naa... I've convinced myself he's black

 

[ricochet]

Good God, just watch any professional football or basketball game. When is the last time you saw someone white do what Lebron James does?

Sorry, I only watch tennis, bicycle racing, and luge. Do you subscribe to the white people are smarter than blacks theory? When was the last time you saw someone black do what Andrew Wiles does? He proved Fermat’s Last Theorem by the way.