The Big 12 Tournament is meaningless except that it's a weekend away for fans to go get drunk. Results there are meaningless and no one cares about Big 12 Tourney Titles.
Make a case for ISU...
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The Big 12 Tournament is meaningless except that it's a weekend away for fans to go get drunk. Results there are meaningless and no one cares about Big 12 Tourney Titles.
That means nothing when projecting forward. Look at the match up, not history. Did past success at home make a difference for Kansas versus SDSU? NOPE. Bad match up+ bad shooting=LOSS. Texas will be a handful for ISU no matter where they play the game.
This thread is why I think the comittee is wise to focus on rpi and the whole season rather than what have you done lately. We may seem 'hot' late in conference but really it would just be the schedule unless we won out or almost won out.
A rational call on ejims tipped thunder dunk and we're on the verge of blowing out Texas. They're hot now but I don't agree with those saying ISU doesn't match up.
It's apparent to me that I must really be a glass half-empty person, instead of half-full. Maybe I just need to hang around more optimistic people like you. That, or I guess I just prefer to be pleasantly surprised vs. have a big let down from 'before-the-fact' thinking. Anyways, I'm not disagreeing that the 2nd half of the schedule is better than the
first. But, until this team can show it can win more conference road games, I'm probably not buying into the 7 or 8 win second half. And that is no reflection of a lack of faith or love of this team. Where I do buy-in is Jon Rothstein's tweet that the Big12 has distinguished itself as the best basketball conference with 8 legit teams. These road games at WV, KState, Baylor, etc. are going to be tough. Winnable?.... yes. Should-be's?...hardly. Heck, I think the KState and OU wins in Hilton were pretty darn close and stressful if you truly disect them. Having said that, I will try my best to share in your optimism, because it sure beats my glass of a 10-8 conference finish.
twocoach logic = Texas somehow beat the magical Jayhawks so they are suddenly by far the next best team in the conference.
Now they may indeed be better than ISU but I think it's a little bit of a leap to suddenly act like they're going to come into Hilton and win. As others have said, it just doesn't happen (obviously except for Kansas who is completely loaded this year as they are every year).
I think we have lost 4 games at Hilton in the past 3 years. KU this year, KU last year, UNI and Mizzou the year before.
Big 12 could potentially get 7 in the tournament. That would be unheard of. Probably more likely to get 6, but even that is pretty darn good. 60-70% of the conference tournament bound? #1
I'd take that in a heart beat. That'd give us the nod for the 2nd seed in the big 12 tourney.
I don't see ISU losing another game in Hilton this year and I think all the road games are winnable. I think they can still finish second. A win tonight helps a lot.
Texas is hot right now but I don't see them ending up second.
Texas is hot right now but I don't see them ending up second.
By the way, this includes home wins against...
2013-14
#7 Michigan
#23 Iowa
#7 Baylor
#22 KSU
#23 OU
2012-13
#11 KSU
#13 OSU
2011-12
#5 KU
#9 Baylor
So winning out at home isn't a given, but shouldn't surprise anyone either.
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According to Bill Self logic, we've still got a shot:
I'd take 14-4 in conference in a heartbeat. Just keep winning, just keep winning...
David Ubben
More Self: "14-4, 13-5 would be an unbelievable record in this league."I'd take 14-4 in conference in a heartbeat. Just keep winning, just keep winning...
I like how you mix ranking in there. Iowa was NOT #10 when we played them, they were 23. Baylor was #7 when we played them, but now are not ranked. Other than that, I agree with you.
You are doubting MY logic after that ISU fan said that ONE BAD CALL kept ISU from blowing out Texas (a game that Texas won by 10 points and led for all of the last 14+ minutes? Okey dokey...You haven't given a single example of WHY Texas cannot win @Hilton except that other teams haven't done it in other years. That means nothing in this game. Why has Kansas been able to do it? Don't get me wrong, at this point in conference play, I would rather have ISU win that game instead of Texas. I am not concerned about ISU in the running for the Big 12 title. Any losses that someone can give to Texas only help KU in the race for the Big 12 title. I will be cheering hard for ISU.
Like I have said, I am not saying that Texas is guaranteed to win that game. I am just saying that they are the type of team that will give ISU some serious issues, no matter where they play the game. They have already beaten ISU at home and now have the confidence of a bludgeoning of Kansas to lean on. They won't be intimidated by the ISU atmosphere at all. ISU has beaten some greeat teams at home, I agree. It doesn't mean they will beat EVERY great team at home without question. Do Kansas a favor and beat Texas, please.
It would have been nice if whoever devised that little simulator could have actually figured out how to list the games in a manner that identifies who is the home team and who is the road team. Kinda silly without that.
Sorry, just what ESPN showed on our season schedule. I will go back and change it. Didn't intend to twist anything.
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