Marcus Mariota
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That Standford defense is nasty. They are old, have seen this team a lot and in general, are very good. Marriota is also hurt i believe.
Well I guess he just threw for a touchdown but he seemed to be trying really hard to fumble the ball on the drive before he got it done. Ball security not a strong point.
How did Stanford lose to Utah?
How did Stanford lose to Utah?
Utah really isn't bad, and they are big and physical. They've beat pretty solid BYU and Utah St teams and took Oregon St on the road and UCLA at home right down to the wire. They match up better with Stanford than Oregon does.
Mariota is a sophomore. He's also better. If you judged each QB by their worst game each year, no one would ever take one in the first round.
Also, Oregon gave that game away in the first half, inside the five. You just can't make those mistakes, which they do every year. They are the Clemson of the West right now.
Thanks. That makes sense. I guess it just annoys me because Baylor is rated below them and probably will be below Oregon too even though both the PAC-12 teams have a loss.
Shame on the mods for even letting this get past a page. Star arguing should be an immediate thread closure.
I'd rather judge him on how he performs against quality defenses than how he looks against over matched defenses that allow him to throw unpressured all day. I've watched a banged up Johnny Manziel get heavily pressured in almost every SEC game and perform much better than Mariota.
If computers were allowed to consider margin of victory Baylor would be looking very good right now with KSU being their only non blowout win all year. Even without this win will bump them up a spot or two in computer average. Baylor's SOS will be going up every weak and FSU's will be going down every weak from here on.
FSU has a game with IDAHO left, they're probably ranked below half of FCS teams by computers.
Manziel has played against one defense comparable to Stanford and that's Bama. Yes, Manziel had a hell of a game. Mariota has yet to throw a pick and has a better QB rating. That's not to mention his size and arm strength advantages. Also, Mariota has a partial MCL sprain right now, whatever that means. A lot of what makes Manziel a great college player isn't going to happen in the NFL.
I would agree, though, that Mariota is very hard to project because of the system he is in. That system gets people open by design and doesn't ask for a lot of tough throws into tight windows which is a lot of the reason the NFL, until recently, really was leery of QBs in those systems. Mariota should not go pro this year because he has room to improve. I think Manziel is what he is. He has somewhat limited arm strength and is small. That's not to say he won't succeed, it's just that those things aren't going to change and he isn't going to put up much better stats.
FWIW, I would take Bridgewater, Murray, Mettenberger and Boyd before either of those two.
The ignoring of Baylor is awful. That said, FSU, IMO, has the best win of any team. That destruction of Clemson was it. I don't think Baylor can top that. I have high hopes for an Oregon/Baylor bowl game.
I can understand having Baylor #3, it's tough to think of Baylor, FSU or Alabama as #3 but someone has to be. Putting them 4 or lower after this would just be stupid.
Seriously, you are spot on. You just leave yourself wide open when you use that word on somebody and then misspell it.
Can we be honest for a moment here? The kid is the QB for the Oregon Ducks... He is surrounded by a very solid O-line and some of the most electric skill position players in the entire country. Having that level of talent, speed, etc... around a QB can make a QB look far better then they actually are.
This is why when you look at QB's at the next level you see guys like Tim Tebow, Jason White, Brandon Weeden, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Graham Harrell, Mark Sanchez, etc... that haven't amounted to anything in the NFL. Then you look at guys like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Jay Cutler, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo, Matt Schaub, Alex Smith, and Russell Wilson who are all starting QB's in the NFL some of which have been for years that played in college on lessor teams with lessor talent and have had tremendous success.
Having an excessive amount of talent around a QB can make a guy look far better then he really is.
I wouldn't even call him a hidden gem. I would kill for a recruiting class full of 5.7 ranked *** recruits. The problem is we continually end up with guys that are ranked 5.5 or below. Yes, a few of them can turn out to be good football players from time to time, but I'd give you a 5.5 for a 5.7 all day long.
There are only 4 guys that were ranked at that same level for our last 3 classes.
