...because the horse ain't quite dead yet.
Former D.C. cop admits falsifying radar-camera testing records - Washington Times
Former D.C. cop admits falsifying radar-camera testing records - Washington Times
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So because a cop some where padded his citations we get rid of them? In that case just get rid of all laws because I would bet tha other officers have at sometime given citations when one was not required.
No we get rid of them because the public thinks its an invation of privacy and a money grab. Which it is. The only people who want them are police departments and government who r trying to claim they are for safety.
So do you also feel we need to get rid of ALL security cameras every where? If these are an invasion so are all the thousands of other ones in the country. As to the saftey issue the one closest to my home has been a saftey factor, since it was installed there has not been an accident at the intersection. Before we had at leats three a year, one with a fatality so it has made people think twice about running the red light.
No the public thinks the government shouldn't he filming them in public. Obviously kcdc is in some sort of position to reap the benifit from these cameras because studies show the stop light cameras actually cause a lot of accidents. Also the only time people slow down is when they go by them. Then spead right back up. Fact. So how does that help safety.
This has nothing to do with cops padding their citations. This is a case where a sensitive piece of equipment needed to be calibrated to ensure that it's working properly, and the officer in charge falsified his calibrations and "phoned it in".
Admittedly, the DC police department is one of the worst in the country, so tarring all other departments with the same brush is unfair. What this illustrates is when enforcement is put on "autopilot" and cameras & computers are tasked with issuing tickets, mistakes can and will happen. Worse than that, fraud can and will happen.
Admittedly, the DC police department is one of the worst in the country, so tarring all other departments with the same brush is unfair. What this illustrates is when enforcement is put on "autopilot" and cameras & computers are tasked with issuing tickets, mistakes can and will happen. Worse than that, fraud can and will happen.
I have a feeling people would have less of a problem with the red light cameras if they did as the speed ones do and gave a bit of leeway. The speed ones (currently) only ticket for over 10 over.. the red light cameras get good money from those who may have only committed the heinous offense of not coming to a complete stop (despite the fact that they could clearly assess the safety of entering the intersection without doing so)
This. It's no different than vending machines that won't accept a dollar bill that's "too wrinkled". A human being can recognize that piece of linen paper is legitimate currency. A machine can't.
The put the cameras up where speeding causes problems. In Cedar Rapids, speeding north and south of the city isn't a big deal. The road is pretty straight and speeding doesn't cause a big safety concern. However, in town over the S-curve the road tightens and is a big safety hazard for speeding. Thats why they added the cameras.
I dont think the speeding on 235 has caused problems though. After rebuilding it the thing is so much wider and smoother, it would be perfectly safe to have higher speed limits (judging by the fact traffic is going higher speeds anyways). And that's where the money grab complaint comes in.. the fact is these aren't just put in places where there are problems. Also look at what windsor heights wanted to do, putting in cameras where there were no speed-related issues (most issues there are related to poor design\interchanges too close together)
We are one step away from building Gort or employing a team of Robocops to cast a giant net.
Anything to keep us safe right? Anything to make the public obey
We don't have privacy. The government has taken it away and we've let them in the name of safety
Anything to keep us safe right? Anything to make the public obey
We don't have privacy. The government has taken it away and we've let them in the name of safety
I rarely speed and never run red lights. If I happen to get caught speeding, I will accept the consequences and pay the fine. Whether I am caught by human or android. I have no objection to traffic cameras. And last time I checked, I am part of the public.
To set the record straight, I have NO connection to city goverment or the companies that own the cameras. So would you please answer the question I asked, "Should ALL cameras be banned as they all invade your privacy". I have found most only want the ones banned that show them breaking the law on the highways.
These cameras are for boosting income and making the jobs of cops easier...they do not make the roads safer. The one on I235 makes people hit their brakes and go 10 under the speed limit causing more of a danger the other drivers
Instead of listened to you making something up, I will go by the numbers.
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I am not saying all cameras do this... I am merely saying that not all cameras are worthless. Cameras are a good choice for Cedar Rapids and I-380. I am not familiar enough with I-235 in Des Moines to speak about that. I just want the "anti-all cameras" crowd to settle down and actually look at some statistics.
How are traffic cameras an invasion of privacy? You're on a public roadway.
Are they a money grab? Sure. All traffic tickets are. It's either tickets or taxes. Law enforcement isn't free, it's got to be paid for somehow. So tickets or taxes, those are your only two choices. It's a pretty logical argument to say that law breakers should pay more than law followers.
Lets see actual numbers instead of just percents. If you put up a camera at an intersection with 2 accidents a year, if the next year happens to have 1 its a 50% reduction!
Im not familiar enough with the CR area, but des moines police tried some similar statistics with their red light cameras, and when you broke it down to the actual numbers and went intersection by intersection, aside from one single intersection, most of the 'improvement' came from relatively minor changes in actual numbers (easily explained by better weather conditions or just yearly variation), not justifying the thousands upon thousands of dollars in fines being given out.
Im not familiar enough with the CR area, but des moines police tried some similar statistics with their red light cameras, and when you broke it down to the actual numbers and went intersection by intersection, aside from one single intersection, most of the 'improvement' came from relatively minor changes in actual numbers (easily explained by better weather conditions or just yearly variation), not justifying the thousands upon thousands of dollars in fines being given out.
Both of these are valid points which can put the numbers into question. However, speaking as someone who frequently drives on 380, the difference in average speed through the S-curve is pretty phenomenal nowadays compared to before there were cameras. It is a bit of a nuisance for someone like me who likes to drive fast, but I truly believe that it is safer now. And besides, if you aren't stupid, you won't get a ticket.
