I'm not endorsing any of these guys. I just wanted to identify some guys who have been good at coaching up lower talent in the past.
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I'm not endorsing any of these guys. I just wanted to identify some guys who have been good at coaching up lower talent in the past.
I find it funny that most people that oppose this guy do so because he inherited a great team and didn't have to prove he could build a winner...sounds exactly like Prohm to me lol
On that list I would have to go for Taggert or Doeren. I still like Fritz most, but Taggert would be a good option as well.
I suppose it is but if NC State played in the Big XII and ISU played in the ACC the records may not be that different.
That's true but look at his recruiting classes. The guy is getting some serious talent. Of course that could have a lot to do with location also. Rhoads said one thing in his last press conference that really made me think. He said line up all the guys from Texas and ask how many of them have offers from Texas. Zero, I don't get those guys.
It got me thinking, we need someone who can. We need to hire someone that can recruit better than everyone else. Some who can steal the occasional Texas recruit. We play in the Big 12 and we recruit in the Big 12. If we're going to beat other Big 12 teams on the field, we need to start beating them on the recruiting trail. If we can't do that nothing will change and we should have never fired Rhoads.
I think that this is the methodology that we need to use. We will rarely out-talent our schedule, so we need to get a guy that can get more our of the talent we can get.
I would bet that had we done this analysis prior to hiring Chizik, his name would not have been on this list. He did well... but was able to out-talent the competition.
1. Harsin-I don't see it. That would shock me, I would be curious of his recruiting philosophy for the job.
2. Doeren-He has a great gig. Easier to win 7-9 games a year in the ACC than Big 12. Plus, Raleigh, NC is ranked like #1 or #2 best place to raise a family. That area is a hidden gem for quality of life and recruiting.
3. Jasper-Not the right qualifications.
4. Taggart-I think he's overrated personally...not sold yet.
5. Wells-I'm open to.
6. Schramm-Not the right qualifications.
My preference is a current HC with a creative recruiting strategy for our location.
They numbers I had from the article only went through 2013, but I can do some digging and see where they were from 09 - 13 and how their programs stack up.
The following coaches were not at any FBS school between 2009 - 2013: Willie Fritz, Bob Stitt, Willie Taggart (2010 - 2012). FYI, Willie Taggart's USF team won tonight to finish 8-4 with losses to Florida State, Maryland (???), Memphis and Navy. And I forgot to mention in my original post that he was Stanford's recruiter for Florida (his home state), Georgia, Kentucky and Riverside County California so he's got connections in some good places.
Navy Ken qualified to be on my original list, but his name had already been mentioned so I left him out. Same with Troy Calhoun. Remember I was trying to find a few coaches that hadn't been mentioned yet.
Scott Frost's teams have consistently over-achieved, but Oregon still generally has Top 25 recruiting classes. So I'm not sure that's a good comparison to the situation at ISU. Everybody I named has been pulling recruiting classes ranked 40th or worse basically every season.
Tony Alford was at Notre Dame (Charlie Weis) from 09 - 13, so he's had consistent Top 15 recruiting classes with results anywhere from 3rd to 50th. :-/ But I did see that he played for Earl Bruce at Colorado State, so there's that, which is nice, I guess...
Rod Carey had a couple years of overlap with Dan Doeren at NIU. So a lot of what's been said about Doeren applies to Carey too.
Matt Campbell has actually been pretty average.
For anyone that cares, the R-squared for the regression was about 40%. So this analysis says that the variance in recruiting rankings (talent) account for about 40% of the variance in on-field results. The rest of the variance in on-field results is due to coaching ability and randomness. Since I don't have any way to account for randomness, I looked at programs that outperformed their talent 2 or more times in the 5 year period examined. I also looked only at guys that were in the top 10% of performers at their given recruiting rank. So if I've confused luck with coaching talent, it's been a hell of a lot of luck.
Navy Ken qualified to be on my original list, but his name had already been mentioned so I left him out. Same with Troy Calhoun. Remember I was trying to find a few coaches that hadn't been mentioned yet.
Scott Frost's teams have consistently over-achieved, but Oregon still generally has Top 25 recruiting classes. So I'm not sure that's a good comparison to the situation at ISU. Everybody I named has been pulling recruiting classes ranked 40th or worse basically every season.
Tony Alford was at Notre Dame (Charlie Weis) from 09 - 13, so he's had consistent Top 15 recruiting classes with results anywhere from 3rd to 50th. :-/ But I did see that he played for Earl Bruce at Colorado State, so there's that, which is nice, I guess...
Rod Carey had a couple years of overlap with Dan Doeren at NIU. So a lot of what's been said about Doeren applies to Carey too.
Matt Campbell has actually been pretty average.
For anyone that cares, the R-squared for the regression was about 40%. So this analysis says that the variance in recruiting rankings (talent) account for about 40% of the variance in on-field results. The rest of the variance in on-field results is due to coaching ability and randomness. Since I don't have any way to account for randomness, I looked at programs that outperformed their talent 2 or more times in the 5 year period examined. I also looked only at guys that were in the top 10% of performers at their given recruiting rank. So if I've confused luck with coaching talent, it's been a hell of a lot of luck.
You know, the more I look at the names here and in the Williams thread, the more convinced I become that Iowa State should have stuck with CPR for one more season. I just can't see any of these clowns being any better than CPR. I can't get too upset with Jamie for pulling the plug. But the numbers of teams looking for a good coach, makes me believe any coaches left over, will be of lesser value than CPR.
What needs emphasis is "developing players" through great coaching. This hasn't been talked about enough I feel. I hate to bring up the Hawks but every year they put a couple of linemen in the pro's and always have good line development. Nobody rates their recruiting terribly high so it has to be the coaching they get. Has anyone ever done a study of Pro draft picks and how many stars they rated out if HS? It might be enlightening to see how many 2 and 3-Star kids got great coaching to make the next level.
