NCAA looking at unlimited transfers?

[dafarmer]

I'm guessing if you have an academic scholarship you can still transfer and not have to sit out for a year.

I didn’t know academic scholarships transferred.

 

[ISUinOR]

I can see this leading to lower level bench players being pushed out to make room for a better transfer.

How does that impact a player who loves that school and wanted to attend it for any number of reasons?

I don't know of non-athlete students being kicked out of the school because a "better" student came in.

I guess they would have to choose between staying at the school and paying their own way as a traditional student or hoping to find a school willing to take them in on scholarship. I suppose this is actually the current state of things.

 

[CyJack13]

I can see this leading to lower level bench players being pushed out to make room for a better transfer.

How does that impact a player who loves that school and wanted to attend it for any number of reasons?

I don't know of non-athlete students being kicked out of the school because a "better" student came in.

I guess they would have to choose between staying at the school and paying their own way as a traditional student or hoping to find a school willing to take them in on scholarship. I suppose this is actually the current state of things.

I don't see an issue with this. Lots of players coming out of high school want to go play at a certain school but aren't good enough. They were good enough to play there for a year or two, now they aren't.

 

[CoKane]

So, under that system, when Prohm was fired, Memphis would have to compensate us for Tyler Harris leaving? Or maybe you give an exception for when coaches get fired? What about coordinators? A new offensive coordinator can completely overhaul the style of play, and if your pocket passer can't run the option, their playing time may be significantly impacted. If they decide to transfer to a school that better fits them, should the destination school have to compensate? What about position coaches? A lot of these players were directly recruited by their position coach. If the position coach gets fired, should another school have to pay for any players that leave as a result?
What about situations where a player is creaned? Told to hit the bricks by the coach that recruited them. The transfer destination is responsible for compensation, still?

And who keeps track of all of these machinations? Handles appeals? Digs in to make sure that all parties are telling the truth?

Given the roughly an hour ive had to think on this I think you could for sure sign off on some exceptions to it. Coaching changes, playing time, and down transfers could be exceptions. Maybe coaching changes to a certain degree could be. Idk. Its worth exploring more than the NCAAs solution of LOLYOLOWEDONTGIVEAFUCK

 

[Mr Janny]

I didn’t know academic scholarships transferred.

Athletic scholarships don't transfer either. Tyrese Hunter didn't transfer a scholarship to Texas. He declined to renew his scholarship with ISU and accepted a new one with them.

 

[Mr Janny]

Given the roughly an hour ive had to think on this I think you could for sure sign off on some exceptions to it. Coaching changes, playing time, and down transfers could be exceptions. Maybe coaching changes to a certain degree could be. Idk. Its worth exploring more than the NCAAs solution of LOLYOLOWEDONTGIVEAFUCK

I'm not going to argue with you on that point. The NCAA's about face from iron fist to laissez faire has been comical to watch.

 

[3TrueFans]

I didn’t know academic scholarships transferred.

wut

 

[jctisu]

I'm not going to argue with you on that point. The NCAA's about face from iron fist to laissez faire has been comical to watch.

Can't believe I'm about to defend the NCAA (hold on while I vomit) but why should they give a crap anymore? They have no power and anything they do will get challenged in court.

Note: Yes they brought this all upon themselves so I have zero sympathy.

 

[Mr Janny]

Can't believe I'm about to defend the NCAA (hold on while I vomit) but why should they give a crap anymore? They have no power and anything they do will get challenged in court.

Note: Yes they brought this all upon themselves so I have zero sympathy.

Fair enough. I guess it's just late stage stubbornness on their part. Hindsight being what it is, I'm sure they wish they would have played their hand differently.

 

[Clonefan32]

I'm all for player mobility, but I do think it's important not to just ignore the impact to the school they are leaving. I think they need to strictly enforce the deadlines with only limited waivers. Too many schools getting left high-and-dry by kids leaving late. I also wouldn't mind seeing in-conference transfers banned.

 

[yowza]

Now, let's just get rid of the years of eligibility garbage. If a dude wants to play 10 years they should be able to. Plenty of courses to choose from.

 

[singsing]

It also hurt us because other teams were allowed to buy Tyreese Hunter and Isheem Young off of us. Imagine if we had Rhoads or Prohm trying to navigate this ****

That's another reason I like it. Players are going to want to come to ISU because of our coaching. Iowa State may not get a lot of respect nationally for what it offers, but it offers a great deal to the right kids. Eventually it all boils down to the school, coaches,, and it's fan support. Hard to argue ISU isn't strong in all of those.

 

[CycloneErik]

Having an athlete transfer and sit, doesn't impede their academic work. Which is the equivalent for regular students.

Sports is a unique experience whether someone is a HS or college athlete. There is a commitment to the team and fellow teammates.

I have no issue with a one time immediate transfer, but allowing unfettered transfer lends itself to NIL crazyness and encourages coaches to cut corners to build a great roster.

Allowing professional athletes to sign long term contracts, but be free agents annually is a bad idea. So no sure how it is a good idea for college athletes.

Sports are only unique in that the players entertain us.

 

[brett108]

You can say it's a good thing for the kids if you want (it's not in the long run) but you're going to have a product that will no longer differentiate itself from professional sports and it's going to be really tough to compete against those entities.

Also, the "regular student" thing is a ********* argument. Regular students aren't getting full rides and more to be there. They are paying.

At this trajectory and based on where my interest in sports has been going, I can't really imagine I'll be very interested at all in 5 years. That's likely just me, but for some reason that I can't really explain, it just isn't a big deal to me anymore. It probably has to do more with my life changing but watching ISU have Tyrese Hunter here and lose him due to rule changes isn't going to bring fans in, that's for sure. I'm all for NIL, but the transfer rules are the step to far. That's what really unlocks the free agent pay-for-play model.

Its not just you. Moving the college athletics sphere to a semi pro model will alienate the fans of many smaller programs. The crass, cynical takes of "the rich have always gotten richer" is a smokescreen. There were rules to make people at least think twice. Now we don't even have that weighed as a factor.

 

[Mr Janny]

Its not just you. Moving the college athletics sphere to a semi pro model will alienate the fans of many smaller programs. The crass, cynical takes of "the rich have always gotten richer" is a smokescreen. There were rules to make people at least think twice. Now we don't even have that weighed as a factor.

But nobody actually thought twice, though, evidenced by rampant accounts of cheating, under the table payments, handlers, bag men, hundred dollar handshakes, cars, tattoos, sneakers, and everything else that continued to occur during the modern era of big time college sports and even farther back than that. Token punishments may have been handed out, periodically, but for the most part, the rules only existed so people could keep the wool pulled firmly down over their eyes, and pretend that their beloved "amateur" sports were pure.

 

[brett108]

But nobody actually thought twice, though, evidenced by rampant accounts of cheating, under the table payments, handlers, bag men, hundred dollar handshakes, cars, tattoos, sneakers, and everything else that continued to occur during the modern era of big time college sports and even farther back than that. Token punishments may have been handed out, periodically, but for the most part, the rules only existed so people could keep the wool pulled firmly down over their eyes, and pretend that their beloved "amateur" sports were pure.

That's some conspiracy level BS there. You think this was the case because those are the stories the media runs with. One of my family friends was a compliance officer in Lincoln. He talked about having to bring in Corell Buckhalter, one of NUs backs back when they were decent, in for accepting a phone card from a fan. He had stories like this all the time and they were turned into the NCAA. Universities did actually police this stuff. Stop trying to tell us everyone was cheating. That's an excuse losing fanbases love to throw out, but its far away from reality.

 

[Mr Janny]

That's some conspiracy level BS there. You think this was the case because those are the stories the media runs with. One of my family friends was a compliance officer in Lincoln. He talked about having to bring in Corell Buckhalter, one of NUs backs back when they were decent, in for accepting a phone card from a fan. He had stories like this all the time and they were turned into the NCAA. Universities did actually police this stuff. Stop trying to tell us everyone was cheating. That's an excuse losing fanbases love to throw out, but its far away from reality.

Are you kidding me? Those are all verifiable things that happened. And yeah, many are the ones that got caught. How many didn't get caught? Look at the FBI probe into ADIDAS. Do you think those were one-offs?

 

[CyJack13]

Are you kidding me? Those are all verifiable things that happened. And yeah, many are the ones that got caught. How many didn't get caught? Look at the FBI probe into ADIDAS. Do you think those were one-offs?

I didn’t think it was possible for fans to be that gullible to think players weren’t getting under the table benefits.

 

[jakemcilroy]

Imagine how much could have been saved if the NCAA just agreed to pay all players a base salary.

Every time I hear this I ask the person who said it for a realistic plan that is also in compliance with title 9. Do you have one?

 

[Mr Janny]

Every time I hear this I ask the person who said it for a realistic plan that is also in compliance with title 9. Do you have one?

The California bill that has been proposed is a profit sharing model. So the amount paid to the athlete is based on the amount made by the sport.