Niang and 3pt Shooting Against KU

[cloneteach]

That's a flawed stat, IMO. There have been very few games where Niang has given a concerted effort to really score inside. The TCU game (2nd half) was one of those and his efficiency was much better.

Starting inside could actually help both numbers. One, it gets him in rhythm and establishes the post, which in turn starts our ball movement to get our offense clicking early. The second is that he is usually taking higher quality shots after the offense has been initiated, rather than jacking up quick 3s.

Having Niang in the post also puts him in a much better position to rebound, something we are going to HAVE to do (relatively) well to win this game. We have been **** poor on the offensive boards and Niang's tendency to hang around the 3 point line is part of the reason why. When he's there we're lucky if we even have McKay or Hogue snagging boards.

I agree with most of this, although part of Fred's strategy is to essentially give up on offensive rebounding in order to get back on defense. With McKay that has changed a little bit.

 

[CyberJJJ]

That's a flawed stat, IMO. There have been very few games where Niang has given a concerted effort to really score inside. The TCU game (2nd half) was one of those and his efficiency was much better.

Starting inside could actually help both numbers. One, it gets him in rhythm and establishes the post, which in turn starts our ball movement to get our offense clicking early. The second is that he is usually taking higher quality shots after the offense has been initiated, rather than jacking up quick 3s.

Having Niang in the post also puts him in a much better position to rebound, something we are going to HAVE to do (relatively) well to win this game. We have been **** poor on the offensive boards and Niang's tendency to hang around the 3 point line is part of the reason why. When he's there we're lucky if we even have McKay or Hogue snagging boards.

I haven't seed a chart of where on the floor he get fouled the most, but would have to think it is when he is in the lane spinning to the bucket, be it from posting up or taking a big off the dribble from outside. Ellis being on the bench much of the 1st half of the 1st game with 2 fouls was a big bonus for us. I think Mason ended our last game by continually driving to the bucket which gave him confidence. I have no doubt Monte let him go at times rather than fouling, but Monte on the bench early in game two as Ellis was in game one would not bode well for the good guys.

Here is hoping Hogue shows up in beast mode on the boards as well.

 

[andymhallman]

That's a flawed stat, IMO. There have been very few games where Niang has given a concerted effort to really score inside. The TCU game (2nd half) was one of those and his efficiency was much better.

Starting inside could actually help both numbers. One, it gets him in rhythm and establishes the post, which in turn starts our ball movement to get our offense clicking early. The second is that he is usually taking higher quality shots after the offense has been initiated, rather than jacking up quick 3s.

Having Niang in the post also puts him in a much better position to rebound, something we are going to HAVE to do (relatively) well to win this game. We have been **** poor on the offensive boards and Niang's tendency to hang around the 3 point line is part of the reason why. When he's there we're lucky if we even have McKay or Hogue snagging boards.

I agree completely. That's why I don't like us shooting so many threes. We don't get many offensive rebounds off missed threes, and you don't get fouled while shooting them. Part of the reason we're bad at offensive rebounding is what you mentioned about Niang hanging out around the perimeter, plus the fact he is not a great jumper and as such would not get a lot of rebounds even if he were near the basket. Some of it is our personnel, but a lot of it is our strategy, too.

I think our guards are too quick to retreat to half court when a shot goes up. Most other teams do not retreat that far and are in a much better position to get those long rebounds. It's almost like we've drawn up a defense designed to stop our own offense, rather than the offense we're playing (which in the Big 12 is usually scoring after offensive rebounds, not in transition. See Texas, Baylor, TCU and West Virginia).

That was one of the things that killed us against South Carolina. Their guards had a nose for the ball and gobbled up so many rebounds.

I really like what I've seen out of Dejean-Jones in the past week or so. He's rebounding at a high rate on both ends of the court. I hope that continues tonight.

 

[nfrine]

Um.........how about Free Throws?

This game is at Phog. We are not allowed to even shoot free throws there.

 

[abe2010]

this all day...