No GoR Extension

[WooBadger18]

Whar then?

Based on likelihood I think ACC, SEC, american/moutain west, big 10, mac. But the landscape could also change. If the P5 break away before the GOR expires or everything becomes unbundled so the fanbase and not the number of tv's is what matters then I think we're more likely to be grouped with regional universities in the Big 10

 

[JohnnyFive]

What I wouldn't mind happening if Texas and OU leave:

Say Texas leaves for the SEC, OU/OSU go to the Big 10, West Virginia goes to the ACC

Remaining members KU, ISU, KSU, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech vote to add Houston, Cincinnati, followed by Memphis and Tulane. Down the road UCF and USF are added.

 

[chuckd4735]

 

[acgclone]

We aren't going to be in the ******* MAC.

No, we'll probably still be in the B12 after OU/Texas/KU and a couple others bolt. However it will be called the Power 4, not the Power 5.

 

[Clonehomer]

What I wouldn't mind happening if Texas and OU leave:

Say Texas leaves for the SEC, OU/OSU go to the Big 10, West Virginia goes to the ACC

Remaining members KU, ISU, KSU, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech vote to add Houston, Cincinnati, followed by Memphis and Tulane. Down the road UCF and USF are added.

Out of all the possibilities, I think OU/OSU to the Big10 is the least likely. I see them going to the SEC and UT and KU to the Big10.

But it all depends on timing. Who strikes first? PAC, Big10, SEC? Will the conference just die, or will there be a merger?

Either way. With the GoR seemingly DOA, there is absolutely no reason for ISU to agree to any expansion.

 

[ShopTalk]

We aren't going to be in the ******* MAC.

"we" may not be, but ISU sure is trending heavily in favor of a MAC coach to get them ready - hey wait - what the ?

ISU might even win 7 games a year there.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Out of all the possibilities, I think OU/OSU to the Big10 is the least likely. I see them going to the SEC and UT and KU to the Big10.

But it all depends on timing. Who strikes first? PAC, Big10, SEC? Will the conference just die, or will there be a merger?

Either way. With the GoR seemingly DOA, there is absolutely no reason for ISU to agree to any expansion.

I get the feeling the Oklahoma schools have already made up their minds about eventually joining the SEC. Their academic profiles, football tradition, & geographic proximity make them a natural fit.

I'm sure the B1G & SEC will make a run @ Texas, but wouldn't ESPN pay the 'horns a king's ransom to keep them away from those networks? Plus I'd bet Nebraska and A&M would argue strongly against a Longhorn invasion.

Texas may favor an arrangement similar to what Notre Dame has with the ACC. With them in the fold, would the ACC want to expand further?

After the Oklahomas & Texas, who would the B1G want? Kansas & UConn? Who would the PAC want? Maybe no one.

Maybe there is a future for the Big XII after 2025, but it won't be as lucrative.

 

[CYCLNST8]

We aren't going to be in the ******* MAC.

Whar then?

The AAC, a watered down Big 12, or Mountain West. All of which are better options.

 

[zenmaster]

My understanding from discussions with a few at some level in this decision-making chain at a few of the "Little 8" of the Big 12, expansion without GOR extention is a non-starter. All that matters to those 8 is the stability. Unless that is pushed further out, there is no interest in splitting the pie further unless candidates emerge that would cause per/school value to drive up. That seems to mean other P5 or Notre Dame become available, which does not seem to be the case anytime soon.

 

[Clonehomer]

I get the feeling the Oklahoma schools have already made up their minds about eventually joining the SEC. Their academic profiles, football tradition, & geographic proximity make them a natural fit.

I'm sure the B1G & SEC will make a run @ Texas, but wouldn't ESPN pay the 'horns a king's ransom to keep them away from those networks? Plus I'd bet Nebraska and A&M would argue strongly against a Longhorn invasion.

Texas may favor an arrangement similar to what Notre Dame has with the ACC. With them in the fold, would the ACC want to expand further?

After the Oklahomas & Texas, who would the B1G want? Kansas & UConn? Who would the PAC want? Maybe no one.

Maybe there is a future for the Big XII after 2025, but it won't be as lucrative.

I could see this. UT to ACC makes sense. Texas politics could get interesting though with them leaving Tech, Baylor, and TCU behind.

Worst case I see ISU landing in a pretty strong Big12 leftovers + invites
Assuming worst case, KU goes Big10 OU/OSU to SEC, UT to ACC, PAC stands pat.

Iowa State
Kansas State
Colorado State
BYU
Air Force
Boise St
West Virginia
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
Cincinnati

Not a terrible conference. Will have to deal with less TV money. Still strong enough to warrant an occasional playoff discussion.

 

[isu81]

I could see this. UT to ACC makes sense. Texas politics could get interesting though with them leaving Tech, Baylor, and TCU behind.

Worst case I see ISU landing in a pretty strong Big12 leftovers + invites
Assuming worst case, KU goes Big10 OU/OSU to SEC, UT to ACC, PAC stands pat.

Iowa State
Kansas State
Colorado State
BYU
Air Force
Boise St
West Virginia
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
Cincinnati

Not a terrible conference. Will have to deal with less TV money. Still strong enough to warrant an occasional playoff discussion.

In this scenario, our athletic budget probably shrinks by $20-30 million from where it would be by the time it happens. Still better than the current AAC or MAC.

 

[Clonehomer]

In this scenario, our athletic budget probably shrinks by $20-30 million from where it would be by the time it happens. Still better than the current AAC or MAC.

Definitely would be less than today's Big12, but there's plenty of big markets in that area.

Denver
Dallas
Kansas City
Houston
Cincinnati
Salt Lake City

Really, other than OKC we wouldn't lose any market completely. Obviously we'd lose market share, but with that large of a footprint there's the potential to grow over time with some success on the field.

 

[everyyard]

What I wouldn't mind happening if Texas and OU leave:

Say Texas leaves for the SEC, OU/OSU go to the Big 10, West Virginia goes to the ACC

Remaining members KU, ISU, KSU, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech vote to add Houston, Cincinnati, followed by Memphis and Tulane. Down the road UCF and USF are added.

No money. No market. Good night.

 

[simply1]

Out of all the possibilities, I think OU/OSU to the Big10 is the least likely. I see them going to the SEC and UT and KU to the Big10.

But it all depends on timing. Who strikes first? PAC, Big10, SEC? Will the conference just die, or will there be a merger?

Either way. With the GoR seemingly DOA, there is absolutely no reason for ISU to agree to any expansion.

Or we expand now and hope the schools we get are strong enough then to help hold the conference together, along with some sort of tv money, get some reputation. Adding them later before they've been a power 5 school won't really do much, and I doubt the Big 12 would truly be considered for the playoff given the addition of OU and Texas to whatever conference. I don't think an undefeated team from that Big 12 is in over a 1 loss team from a more powerful SEC, B1G, PAC-12, or even ACC. Maybe not over a 2 loss team from SEC or B1G.

 

[Bryce7]

I could see this. UT to ACC makes sense. Texas politics could get interesting though with them leaving Tech, Baylor, and TCU behind.

Worst case I see ISU landing in a pretty strong Big12 leftovers + invites
Assuming worst case, KU goes Big10 OU/OSU to SEC, UT to ACC, PAC stands pat.

Iowa State
Kansas State
Colorado State
BYU
Air Force
Boise St
West Virginia
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
Cincinnati

Not a terrible conference. Will have to deal with less TV money. Still strong enough to warrant an occasional playoff discussion.

Frankly, a lot less money for this conference.

 

[HoopsTournament]

It's been nice knowing you, P5 sports. Can't wait for our MAC football championship.

Really? MAC? Either you need a Jimlad or you are being ridiculous

 

[brutodd]

A few questions:

KU goes to the BIG under these scenarios strictly because of BB, right?
So why not us (I think I know the answer but still, play along)? AAU school, decent but not blue-blood pedigree basketball school, better facilities then KU in most things minus/equal w/ hoops...

Aren't KU and KSU tied together at the state level (I should know, I live in Wichita temporarily but can't remember if this is truly a thing)?

The longer this mess drags on, the less I feel confident about ISU ending up in a Power 5 Conf. I guess we should all cut cable (like me!) and buy stations like PS Vue and Sling so the cable networks don't have as much pull...right?

I wrote about this after we got robbed at the goal line a few yrs back by TX - about how the changing of the guard at TX may be a harbinger of things to come. Looks like some of that may be coming true (although I wasn't the only one stating that opinion so I"m not tooting my own horn too much).

Anyway, just wanted to get some opinions/input on these few thoughts