offensive line help

[Steve]

Agree with this sentiment & this is my basis for thinking we will not do well trying to get a portal transfer for the OL - even smaller school 'diamond in the rough'. If a player was at all successful at FCS or D2 level, even they will get noticed by programs with much better OL development & the player will prefer going there simply for that reason. Or they could stay put & still have just as good, possibly better, path to the NFL. Hasn't seemed to hurt the linemen UNI has produced the past few years.

Current transfer rules might make a difference, but history is not on our side. Other than Bobek in '16, I can't think of a single successful OL transfer from a 4 year college going back as far as the Johnny Majors years.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Frankly, no one here knows jack about OL play.

Please enlighten us.

 

[Aclone]

Yes, the line absolutely sucked this year. Almost dead last in many OLine stat rankings out of all FBS teams.

Acknowledge the turd. Flush the turd. Don't polish the turd.

Stats and definitions from https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2022

Iowa State's Offensive Line Rankings Through Week 12, 11/21/22:

Run-blocking stats
Line Yards per Carry: 125th
- For 2018, we are experimenting with a new definition for college line yardage based on film study and generalization. Instead of the ALY figure FO used for the NFL, this one is tighter: the line gets credit for rushing yardage between 0-3 yards (instead of 0-4) and 50% credit for yards 4-8 (instead of 5-10). Anything over 8 yards is quantified as a highlight opportunity, and credit goes to the runner. As with the pro definition, lost yardage still counts for 125%. (Garbage time is filtered out for all line yardage averages.)

Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: 118th
- The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer).

Passing Downs Line Yards per Carry: 122nd
- The same unadjusted averages for rushing on passing downs.

Opportunity Rate: 129th
- The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.

Power Success Rate: 109th
- This is the same as on the NFL side -- percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.

Stuff Rate: 107th
- Same as STUFFED on the NFL side -- percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Pass-blocking stats
Sack Rate: 50th
- Unadjusted sack rate for all non-garbage time pass attempts.

Standard Downs Sack Rate: 78th
- Unadjusted sack rate for standard downs pass attempts.

Passing Downs Sack Rate: 26th
- Unadjusted sack rate for passing downs pass attempts.

Cool that you put this together. I can’t argue with what you posted--and wouldn’t have.

But the post I actually replied to said “sucked for years”.

Try to pay attention. Don’t take statements out of context to try to make your point.

As someone said, the Line has been horrible since Loney left. Even worse than the years under Myers preceding ‘21.

 

[Buzzer68]

Yes, the line absolutely sucked this year. Almost dead last in many OLine stat rankings out of all FBS teams.

Acknowledge the turd. Flush the turd. Don't polish the turd.

Stats and definitions from https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa/sp/overallol/2022

Iowa State's Offensive Line Rankings Through Week 12, 11/21/22:

Run-blocking stats
Line Yards per Carry: 125th
- For 2018, we are experimenting with a new definition for college line yardage based on film study and generalization. Instead of the ALY figure FO used for the NFL, this one is tighter: the line gets credit for rushing yardage between 0-3 yards (instead of 0-4) and 50% credit for yards 4-8 (instead of 5-10). Anything over 8 yards is quantified as a highlight opportunity, and credit goes to the runner. As with the pro definition, lost yardage still counts for 125%. (Garbage time is filtered out for all line yardage averages.)

Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: 118th
- The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer).

Passing Downs Line Yards per Carry: 122nd
- The same unadjusted averages for rushing on passing downs.

Opportunity Rate: 129th
- The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.

Power Success Rate: 109th
- This is the same as on the NFL side -- percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.

Stuff Rate: 107th
- Same as STUFFED on the NFL side -- percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Pass-blocking stats
Sack Rate: 50th
- Unadjusted sack rate for all non-garbage time pass attempts.

Standard Downs Sack Rate: 78th
- Unadjusted sack rate for standard downs pass attempts.

Passing Downs Sack Rate: 26th
- Unadjusted sack rate for passing downs pass attempts.

No wonder we sucked

 

[CycloneVet]

I think it’s both. Strength and conditioning isn’t one plan fits all. The defense also rotates a lot more.

Which is why they never take a step back on defense. Guys rotate in all the time so are pretty well schooled on how to play when they get more reps

 

[LeaningCy]

Cool that you put this together. I can’t argue with what you posted--and wouldn’t have.

But the post I actually replied to said “sucked for years”.

Try to pay attention. Don’t take statements out of context to try to make your point.

As someone said, the Line has been horrible since Loney left. Even worse than the years under Myers preceding ‘21.

Weird hill to die on but I'll play along. The OLine sucked the previous year too. Average line yards ranked 93rd in 2021. Years. Try to pay attention.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Please enlighten us.

I would love to have it explained to me how Simmons isn’t completely out of his depth at this level.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I would love to have it explained to me how Simmons isn’t completely out of his depth at this level.

He showed a lot promise when he first started playing. Maybe him flashing like that gave him unrealistic expectations? I think he's average at best based on his total performance though. Honestly, that's what you would likely say about the entire line except Downing.

Average talent with poor execution and discipline.

 

[Gunnerclone]

He showed a lot promise when he first started playing. Maybe him flashing like that gave him unrealistic expectations? I think he's average at best based on his total performance though. Honestly, that's what you would likely say about the entire line except Downing.

Average talent with poor execution and discipline.

Execution and discipline is a decent part of talent. Especially on the o line. He takes plays off, he takes penalties quite often instead of taking a play off. He gotta go. You’re only as strong as your weakest link on the o line.

 

[FLYINGCYCLONE]

Maybe our new RB from Stanford could do some OL recruiting for us.
2 of his old team mates, are looking for a new team to play for. Both are OL
guys, might fit in nicely.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Execution and discipline is a decent part of talent. Especially on the o line. He takes plays off, he takes penalties quite often instead of taking a play off. He gotta go. You’re only as strong as your weakest link on the o line.

He's one of the only guys that could get a decent push though.

 

[BigLame]

MJ Anderson transferred from MN - any OL there wanting a change in scenery? Any worthwhile from NE, CO, or elsewhere on teams who had lack of success or other changes & a good player would really want a culture change?

 

[FLYINGCYCLONE]

Have our OL recruits been telling us we have had problems the last few years without saying a word? What is the group we are always complaining about? Sure we have issues with WR, QB, or whatever. We always come back to the OL. Why can’t we recruit better guys? Hopefully the new coaches that are being brought in will be a good up grade, and get us where the OL needs to be. Maybe we could find a guy who has been part of the New England OL coaching tree. Keeping Brady from being broke in half takes some doing.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Have our OL recruits been telling us we have had problems the last few years without saying a word? What is the group we are always complaining about? Sure we have issues with WR, QB, or whatever. We always come back to the OL. Why can’t we recruit better guys? Hopefully the new coaches that are being brought in will be a good up grade, and get us where the OL needs to be. Maybe we could find a guy who has been part of the New England OL coaching tree. Keeping Brady from being broke in half takes some doing.

Either Campbell has his guy and is waiting for the right time or he doesn't yet which is worrying because I don't know if there's a top dog out there for us to take.

If McCarney wasn't so old I'd entertain it but even that is just reaching.

 

[RustShack]

Why can’t we recruit better guys? Hopefully the new coaches that are being brought in will be a good up grade, and get us where the OL needs to be. Maybe we could find a guy who has been part of the New England OL coaching tree. Keeping Brady from being broke in half takes some doing.

Recruit better? CMC literally has all of the best recruiting classes in school history and tops it every year he’s here.

As for the Patriots OL, there are a lot of factors. I remember Brady being the least sacked QB in the NFL one year. The next year he was hurt, and Matt Cassel started the whole year. Cassel was the most sacked QB in the NFL, behind the same OL Brady was least sacked the year before.

 

[RustShack]

Either Campbell has his guy and is waiting for the right time or he doesn't yet which is worrying because I don't know if there's a top dog out there for us to take.

If McCarney wasn't so old I'd entertain it but even that is just reaching.

I’d be surprised if any coaching changes are announced before signing day, unless the guy he wants is without a job right now.