***Official 2018 NCAA Tourney Thread***
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Yeah, as much fun as it is to watch all of these lower seeds and crazy games, that was a lot of high level talent playing at a high level.
Nova/KU should be a good game.
I think UM/Loyola will be too.
Exactly, upsets are fun, but games like this really make the tournament. Multiple future NBA guys on each side, especially Duke, big time coaches, and honestly in this tournament with all the crazy matchups we've seen, I enjoyed a Duke-Kansas match up. That just feels right for an elite eight or beyond game.
I don't really care about the NBA talent if it doesn't blend well together. Duke and KU both played good team basketball so the talent was being utilized at least.
Front page of Yahoo, says KU brought their officials for the game again.
Did not watch it, but sounds like they overturned a call, and KU ran over a Duke guy with feet planted firmly, but mysteriously no charge.
Did not watch it, but sounds like they overturned a call, and KU ran over a Duke guy with feet planted firmly, but mysteriously no charge.
It still blows my mind how lopsided that game was. Nova could do no wrong, OU couldn't seem to hit anything.
No, they overturned a call to the right call (it was off the Duke guy's left hand) and they called a block on Duke on a 50/50 call where the Duke player was slightly sliding to his left and did not have his right foot on the ground when the KU player made contact. It was a very close call that looks even closer from the primary angle they used on the TV timeout but he was moving and his foot was in the air.
I hope that this game was as entertaining on TV as it was live. It wasn't the loudest game I have ever been to (UK @ KU takes that) but it was the most incredible overall experience. Duke had way more fans in the stands than I expected and the arena was buzzing. High level play, high level coaching and just flat out competitive and exciting. Amazing.
I saw it as a close call, but likely the right one. Duke player got his feet outside the arc, but had to take a hop forward slightly after the KU player started to launch. KU guy also tried to jump to the side a bit and didn't end up hitting him square. I will say I've seen a lot of those types of plays called charges though.
Carter was not set, and anyone who says he was is just going off of what Raftery was saying. Watch the replay from under the hoop, and you'll see Carter slightly drag his right foot into the contact with Newman.
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As far as the out of bounds play, that was so close, but I think they made the right call. However, I'm sick of these 5 minute monitor reviews, and it was so close I thought the original call (out on KU) should of stood. In the end, that call did not matter at all because there was 5 seconds left on the shot clock, and Svi shot a three that fell a foot short of the hoop.
I don't know. Seems like if we're having to get that technical if his foot was slightly moving then we're going too far. It really comes down to who was there first and I thought the Duke player got there in time. But as close as it was, I don't think I could blame the refs for calling it either way.
I really think we need to eliminate slow motion replays when reviewing this sort of thing. It is so hard to call these things live and we're criticizing the refs when we've seen three different angles of super slow motion hi def replays. Maybe we need to give all the refs head mounted go pros so we see exactly what they see real time. Then these sort of post game reviews would be much more fair.
I don't think it's getting technical at all. He had to move his body into Newman. That's not a charge.
Regardless, a big like Carter, with 4 fouls, should not be trying to pick up a charge there. He has 7 freaking inches on Newman, play defense dude.
In other words, it was a super close play that could have gone either way, not a huge and obvious screw job.Defining what is a charge and what is a block IS super technical and they appear to have applied the rules properly.
KU lost out on an out of bounds play that replay shows went off of Grayson Allen, a shove in the back of DeSousa by Allen in an effort to throw him into the way of a Malik Newman drive to the basket (no foul called) and a play where DeSousa grabbed a rebound and was fouled West Virginia style by 4 separate Duke players before they were able to rip the ball out of his hands for a steal with no foul called. Is's all good. KU made enough lays to win. Most enjoyable game I have ever witnessed in person.
That too. That entire game, every call seemed to be going Duke's way (BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!). Off the top of my head, I feel like those two plays in OT are the only ones that went KU's way. Im sure there were others, but I cant recall any.
That was really all of the significant ones. Two mistake call/no call plays both incorrectly went Duke's way and two 50/50 calls correctly went KU's way.
They also eventually correctly adjusted a foul given to Svi that was actually on Newman which would have been Svi's 4th. Svi wasnt even very close to the play when it happened and him having his 4th would have been big.
So it goes. Refs did fine overall.
That's been a charge all year in college basketball. I still think it was a charge and I hate Duke
Maybe give those close out of bounds plays a 30 second clock and if you can't tell by then, it's an automatic jump ball (actual jump ball, not the arrow).
It was a charge to me as well.
The stepping-in defender charge call should be abolished. I ******* hate it but in the current form I thought that was a charge.
I didn't really care though. Both teams can fall in a crater. Go Nova and Loyola.
I actually disagree with both calls but still don't think Duke was robbed.
The officials have been told to always give the benefit of the doubt to the offense, but to me if it looks like a charge, then it is a charge.
That ball may have been last touched by Duke but I think it it was too close to overturn. The Duke player had both hands on the ball (but didn't really have control yet) and the Kansas player reached it and redirected the ball out of bounds. In my opinion, that should have stayed with Duke. They need to adjust the review rules. If one person is about to gain control and another reaches in and knocks it away, it should always go to the team that was about to gain control unless they reach out and try to regain control. That is the way that they almost always call it when they see it live with no chance to review.
The reason I don't think that Duke was robbed is because they got the benefit of many calls leading up to that. Duke was in the double bonus with about 8-9 minutes to go in the game but only 3 fouls had been called on Duke. Part of that is the style of play, but if you look at the clip above, Duke still only had 5 fouls called on them with 3 minutes to go in the game.
EDIT: 3 minutes to go in OT and Duke still only had 5 fouls.
The officials have been told to always give the benefit of the doubt to the offense, but to me if it looks like a charge, then it is a charge.
That ball may have been last touched by Duke but I think it it was too close to overturn. The Duke player had both hands on the ball (but didn't really have control yet) and the Kansas player reached it and redirected the ball out of bounds. In my opinion, that should have stayed with Duke. They need to adjust the review rules. If one person is about to gain control and another reaches in and knocks it away, it should always go to the team that was about to gain control unless they reach out and try to regain control. That is the way that they almost always call it when they see it live with no chance to review.
The reason I don't think that Duke was robbed is because they got the benefit of many calls leading up to that. Duke was in the double bonus with about 8-9 minutes to go in the game but only 3 fouls had been called on Duke. Part of that is the style of play, but if you look at the clip above, Duke still only had 5 fouls called on them with 3 minutes to go in the game.
EDIT: 3 minutes to go in OT and Duke still only had 5 fouls.
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Cant speak on what has been called all year because I dont recall a similar call that was under the microscope like this one. Regardless, by the letter of the rule, it was not a charge.
To me, the out of bounds was too close to call. I certainly didn't see indisputable evidence to overturn it so it should've stayed with the call on the floor in my opinion.
They got the block call correct. I thought it was a charge watching it live but replay showed definitely a block. The offensive player is already off the floor and the defender is still trying to slide his right foot into position. If he had planted the right foot my opinion might change but that's a pretty wide base.
There are FAR too many charges called in college hoops which should be blocks.
They got the block call correct. I thought it was a charge watching it live but replay showed definitely a block. The offensive player is already off the floor and the defender is still trying to slide his right foot into position. If he had planted the right foot my opinion might change but that's a pretty wide base.
There are FAR too many charges called in college hoops which should be blocks.
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