*** Official #24 IOWA STATE vs #20 BYU Game(Day) Thread ***

[NWICY]

I know they can't guess how good teams are going to be but it's a darn shame a top 25 matchup is on espn+

It is exactly what espn wants good fan bases that will pay extra on whatever crappy platform they put it on. Us, Ku, other schools with good fan bases go to plus, while they put some obscure school on the main 3 espns.

 

[pulse]

Streaming the game from the HULU app seems to work better than using the ESPN+ app. If you have the Disney+ package, ESPN+ and HULU are part of that package. Give it a shot, it may work better. Go Clones, kick some Cougar tail.

Agreed. The Hulu app is better than the garbage ESPN app.

 

[Clonefan32]

I think this has to play out a little bit like the Houston games. I think there is usually a period in the first 8-10 minutes where our opponent has to adjust to our defensive pressure. The way we guard in a way that most other teams do not. Often once they get a feel for it, they can then get some open shots. So I hope we can make them uncomfortable and build an early lead and then hope their shots aren't falling late.

 

[bawbie]

535 of BYU’s shot attempts have been threes and they hit on 37% (by comparison ISU has only attempted 297 threes). BYU has three guards that have attempted at least 83 threes, two with at least 100 attempts (by comparison ISU has only Momcilovic with 80 attempts).

ISU induces more three point attempts than most teams in the country - 356th out of 362 teams in percentage of field goal attempts given up as threes at a 46%+ rate per Barttorvik.

In short: we have played to force teams into choosing threes as their poison, but it could be a tough proposition against a team that lives (and typically thrives) by them on their home court. Will be interesting to see what TJ and staff dial up.

This is well laid out and one of the more interesting statistical contrasts we'll see this season. Another is TCU who scores a ton of points at the rim, and we are #1 in preventing points at the rim.

I'm very curious to see whether we adapt our defense or not - specifically not doubling or trapping as often. I tend to think, especially when you have a VERY strong defensive identity, that you can't adjust it for one game and play with the same intensity. You are going against learned patterns and habits - if you're thinking you're a step slow. But it will be fascinating to watch. I think we should just double down and say " you aren't scoring in the paint, period. If you can complete 3 straight swing passes without turning the ball over, have the open 3" and see if they can make 16+ in the game. 16 is their season high, but they've made at least 14 8 times.

There's one other interesting contrast. Their defense is very good (7th in efficiency), and their key strengths is not giving up points off of steals and offensive rebounds. Our offensive rebounding is okay, not great, but we are #1 in points off of steals. Their loss at Cincinnati is the only game in which they've turned the ball over >20% of possessions. The only 3 games we've not forced turnovers on >20% of possessions are our 3 losses. Our defense forcing turnovers and then scoring off of them is the absolutely key to the game, IMO, much more important than 3s (unless they can't miss).

The other thing in our favor is that haven't faced a defense like ours yet (they host Houston, the only other defense "like ours" next Tuesday). The only Top 30 defense they've faced is Cincinnati, a game they turned the ball over a bunch and lost by 11.

The metric site I like best, Haslametrics, has the game 73-70 BYU, with a significantly faster pace than our first 3 conf games. I think 70 sounds like the key - if we can hold BYU under 70, I like our chances a lot. It will all come down to energy and intensity and translating that into forced turnovers. Other than DePaul, we haven't brought the intensity on the road. I think the that changes tonight and we win 70-62.

 

[NWICY]

Better get used to it. The way things are trending, most live sports will move to that type of programming. Only marquee matchups/names will be on main channels.

It’s a win-win for ESPN (less cost to produce and another source of revenue), and as long as they keep the subscription cost down, it’s really not too bad for the customer.

Anyway…this game will be a challenge for sure. They shoot well, that place is a hornets nest and don’t forget…altitude is a thing there. Not as much as Boulder, but it could be a factor.

Thin air Hasan will be able to jump even higher.

 

[bawbie]

Agreed. The Hulu app is better than the garbage ESPN app.

Agreed - but I don't like the forced commercial watching.

One thing I've had happen with both of them this year that didn't happen last year is that as soon as the game ends, the feed ends (until the replay is posted an hour or so later). So when I've been watching it on a delay, I've missed the end of the game, which is the worst.

 

[CascadeClone]

It is exactly what espn wants good fan bases that will pay extra on whatever crappy platform they put it on. Us, Ku, other schools with good fan bases go to plus, while they put some obscure school on the main 3 espns.

I think you are close to the mark here.

The big brands that casual fans know (Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc) will always be on the big channels. Because that's how to drive higher viewer numbers - even if they aren't great or th ematchup isn't great. Because those casuals WON'T be paying for streaming of anything, they will just watch whatever seems best on their TV at the moment.
Then put the teams that have smaller brands but passionate fans on the streaming. ISU, Baylor, Tech, et al. Because those folks WILL pay to see their beloved team.

Maximize that revenue by where you channel the product.

 

[CascadeClone]

Thin air Hasan will be able to jump even higher.

Gravity is also less at high altitudes!

 

[0u812]

Found this online today. Made me laugh. Not sure how many wives they have, but an interesting graphic. So many questions:
1. How many wives?
2. Pics of said wives?
3. Do they play in a mature, old man/YMCA fashion?

 

[CyPunch]

Kansas plays 10 games on ESPN+ this year. 4 conference games.

 

[cyfan92]

BYU against top 100 teams:


ISU against top 100 teams:


My Three keys to the game:

1. Keep BYU to 10 threes or less
2. ISU has a 1.6 or greater team assist to turnover ratio
3. Keep BYU off the offensive glass (6 or less offensive rebounds)

My prediction, stock up on Nitroglycerin and get ready for a battle as I think this one smells like whoever has the ball last will win. I predict ISU 74 - BYU 72.

 

[cyfan92]

I like our chances against TCU more than BYU to be honest...

BYU shooting could be scary, TCU wants to drive the paint. We are really good at defending the paint

 

[Cycsk]

Found this online today. Made me laugh. Not sure how many wives they have, but an interesting graphic. So many questions:
1. How many wives?
2. Pics of said wives?
3. Do they play in a mature, old man/YMCA fashion?
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Are all 4 married to each other?

It's the 21st Century in Utah too!

 

[Gunnerclone]

Who on our roster is most likely to give BYU fans the bird?

100% Keshon

 

[Big_Sill]

Sometimes I wish we would trap and double-team less... this could be one of those games.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Found this online today. Made me laugh. Not sure how many wives they have, but an interesting graphic. So many questions:
1. How many wives?
2. Pics of said wives?
3. Do they play in a mature, old man/YMCA fashion?
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I saw a TikTok where this guy interviewed freshman after two weeks at BYU:

Interviewer: how many of your friends have gotten engaged since school started.

Girl: quite a few

Interviewer: why aren’t you engaged yet?

Girl: I just want to be really patient and make sure I make the right choice.

Interviewer: so when do you think you will get engaged?

Girl: hopefully in a couple weeks.

 

[pulse]

Agreed - but I don't like the forced commercial watching.

One thing I've had happen with both of them this year that didn't happen last year is that as soon as the game ends, the feed ends (until the replay is posted an hour or so later). So when I've been watching it on a delay, I've missed the end of the game, which is the worst.

I know one of the apps has sometimes stuck in extra commercials during timeouts when watching live. I couldn’t watch OSU live, but when I watched it later skipping forward with Hulu was great.

 

[ZRF]

This is well laid out and one of the more interesting statistical contrasts we'll see this season. Another is TCU who scores a ton of points at the rim, and we are #1 in preventing points at the rim.

I'm very curious to see whether we adapt our defense or not - specifically not doubling or trapping as often. I tend to think, especially when you have a VERY strong defensive identity, that you can't adjust it for one game and play with the same intensity. You are going against learned patterns and habits - if you're thinking you're a step slow. But it will be fascinating to watch. I think we should just double down and say " you aren't scoring in the paint, period. If you can complete 3 straight swing passes without turning the ball over, have the open 3" and see if they can make 16+ in the game. 16 is their season high, but they've made at least 14 8 times.

There's one other interesting contrast. Their defense is very good (7th in efficiency), and their key strengths is not giving up points off of steals and offensive rebounds. Our offensive rebounding is okay, not great, but we are #1 in points off of steals. Their loss at Cincinnati is the only game in which they've turned the ball over >20% of possessions. The only 3 games we've not forced turnovers on >20% of possessions are our 3 losses. Our defense forcing turnovers and then scoring off of them is the absolutely key to the game, IMO, much more important than 3s (unless they can't miss).

The other thing in our favor is that haven't faced a defense like ours yet (they host Houston, the only other defense "like ours" next Tuesday). The only Top 30 defense they've faced is Cincinnati, a game they turned the ball over a bunch and lost by 11.

The metric site I like best, Haslametrics, has the game 73-70 BYU, with a significantly faster pace than our first 3 conf games. I think 70 sounds like the key - if we can hold BYU under 70, I like our chances a lot. It will all come down to energy and intensity and translating that into forced turnovers. Other than DePaul, we haven't brought the intensity on the road. I think the that changes tonight and we win 70-62.

I've always thought we doubled, trapped, and collapsed too much and by that I mean we often as a team (or individually...maybe players are screwing up here) pick very poor spots or situations to trap. As an example we can play 3-4 straight possessions of great man defense then have someone decide to trap a player that is already well defended with 10-15 left in the shot clock. It seems to result in a negative outcome (foul, pass to an open guy, or the start of a defensive scramble that leads to a bucket) more often than not. Why do we constantly do those types of things in those situations?

Typically I think we have better results when we stick to man and only engage in the above when the situation necessitates (we are losing or have the right personnel in the right spot on the floor to do them).

 

[nfrine]

Who on our roster is most likely to give BYU fans the bird?

TJ.

 

[RezClone]

Nah… it was at the Marriott Center. It was a cougar tail (look it up if you don’t know).

I took your advice and googled:
"Cougar Tail BYU"

Be advised, thanks to Zach Wilson, all results are very much NSFW.