*** Official #25 IOWA STATE vs #17 TCU Game(Day) Thread ***

[NENick]

I was surprised Bob was in at that point. I believe TJ went offense/defense after that.

I don't think the Cyclones are a great FT shooting team. Some decent to good, but nobody seems to be automatic. However, there have been a few clutch makes. Another example of this team's inner fortitude.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I was surprised Bob was in at that point. I believe TJ went offense/defense after that.

I don't think the Cyclones are a great FT shooting team. Some decent to good, but nobody seems to be automatic. However, there have been a few clutch makes. Another example of this team's inner fortitude.

Give me Holmes, Gabe, or Grill. I'll ride with seniors.

 

[twincyties]

I believe that Osuniyi is leading the team in FT percentage. Having him + Holmes, Tamin, Gabe, and Grill at the end should be fairly reliable FT shooting and 4 guards to handle pressure. Not to mention a really big target to hit with passes under pressure.

Rob has improved dramatically from last year and is underrated in many regards, but fear his FT shooting is going to be a liability for us at some point.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Such a great win on the road today! What a week! 2 road wins in a week? I wonder when is the last time that has happened?

In conference.......2016 was the last time I think.

 

[simply1]

Guys at this level also know if they have a clean look or are actually at risk of having a shot blocked. Miles has enough space he knows Lipsey is not getting a hand on that.

I see the point you’re trying to make, but flying past that good of a shooter - and taking yourself out of the play or risking a foul - is not good return on investment there. I promise you a shooter like Miles is not affected by a fly-by like that from Lipsey.

I agree with earlier posters that - while there was no doubt a leg kick-out on that - it probably wasn’t worth the risk of fouling. Especially at that point in the game.

Gabe’s was worse. I think late in the shot clock and not a clean look in rhythm like the foul on Lipsey. With Gabes you just have to tip your cap to the guy if he makes that shot. And if you’re the coach you live with that because the chances of making it are probably 10%.

Literally every team in the NBA does flyby closeouts in these situations.

 

[twincyties]

Literally every team in the NBA does flyby closeouts in these situations.

Most guys in the NBA actually have a chance at getting a hand on one of those shots. Lipsey doesn’t.

 

[simply1]

Most guys in the NBA actually have a chance at getting a hand on one of those shots. Lipsey doesn’t.

Rarely do they, the idea is to get a hand up and hopefully force a dribble and shot.
Not like Monte is going to get blocks.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Most guys in the NBA actually have a chance at getting a hand on one of those shots. Lipsey doesn’t.

Contesting a shot is not about trying to actually block it.

 

[twincyties]

Contesting a shot is not about trying to actually block it.

Again, as this level what is “contested” is debatable. I don’t think that kind of fly-by with risk of fouling or taking yourself out of the play is worth whatever distraction it creates for the shooter. I would argue that’s not really “contesting” a shot because it’s not doing anything to alter the shot or the shooters rhythm.

In high school you’ve got kids that can shoot a great percentage in the gym alone, but can’t make a shot when anyone is remotely close to contesting them. At college and above these guys shoot nearly as well with a hand in their face.

 

[twincyties]

Rarely do they, the idea is to get a hand up and hopefully force a dribble and shot.
Not like Monte is going to get blocks.

I don’t disagree with you, but that’s not the case here. Go watch the replay of this again.

Miles had already collected, left the floor, and has nearly released the ball when Lipsey leaves the floor.

 

[bosco]

King is such a great piece for this team. I think we found something in yesterday’s game too with the cross screen and duck in for Tre. He was eating 1v1 and there aren’t many 4’s out there that’ll be able to guard him down there.

I was yelling at the TV to get the ball down low to him more.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I was yelling at the TV to get the ball down low to him more.

We missed him a few times in each of the last two games where he has a nice seal inside for a dump down or was posting up a guard after a switch.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Again, as this level what is “contested” is debatable. I don’t think that kind of fly-by with risk of fouling or taking yourself out of the play is worth whatever distraction it creates for the shooter. I would argue that’s not really “contesting” a shot because it’s not doing anything to alter the shot or the shooters rhythm.

In high school you’ve got kids that can shoot a great percentage in the gym alone, but can’t make a shot when anyone is remotely close to contesting them. At college and above these guys shoot nearly as well with a hand in their face.

You're wrong. College shooters absolutely do not shoot nearly as well with a hand in their face. Lumping them with NBA shooters is way off. A contest doesn't "alter" the shot, but it does increase the likelihood that they miss. Contesting shots is a huge part of the game, especially for teams like ISU. If Lipsey closes out short on Miles, he's much more comfortable than if a guy is closing hard. It's pretty much accepted that you try to run them off the line or fly by. Miles' leg changed the equation on a good, slightly late, contest by Lipsey.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

You were correct the first time -- 0-3 (lost to OU on Saturday)

Meant 0-2 without the 3 guys that were out yesterday and speculated to be out Tuesday against us

 

[Statefan10]

I was yelling at the TV to get the ball down low to him more.

Really excited to see his usage go up down there.

 

[twincyties]

You're wrong. College shooters absolutely do not shoot nearly as well with a hand in their face. A contest doesn't "alter" the shot, but it does increase the likelihood that they miss. Contesting shots is a huge part of the game, especially for teams like ISU. If Lipsey closes out short on Miles, he's much more comfortable than if a guy is closing hard. It's pretty much accepted that you try to run them off the line or fly by. Miles' leg changed the equation on a good, slightly late, contest by Lipsey.

If the ball is essentially out of Miles’ hands by the time Lipsey leaves the floor I just don’t see that as a successful contest of the shot.

Lipsey damn near gas one foot in the lane when Miles gathers to get into his shooting rhythm and he’s at the top of his release as Lipsey is leaving the floor.

Lipseys hand is also nowhere near his face. That was Fran’s point about the bad call - that Lipsey wasn’t even close to him and (unlike Gabe’s) was not going into the shooter.

 

[simply1]

If the ball is essentially out of Miles’ hands by the time Lipsey leaves the floor I just don’t see that as a successful contest of the shot.

Lipsey damn near gas one foot in the lane when Miles gathers to get into his shooting rhythm and he’s at the top of his release as Lipsey is leaving the floor.

Lipseys hand is also nowhere near his face. That was Fran’s point about the bad call - that Lipsey wasn’t even close to him and (unlike Gabe’s) was not going into the shooter.

You’re asking a freshman to determine, before he closes out the way he’s taught to do every time, whether it’s a good close out or not on a great college player? Good luck.

 

[cyclones500]

Really not liking another rallying cry type opponent with key guys out with yheir backs against the wall.

I'll expect ISU to be on better notice.

Meant 0-2 without the 3 guys that were out yesterday and speculated to be out Tuesday against us

Ah, that makes sense, I had a feeling I was misinterpreting.

 

[Statefan10]

If the ball is essentially out of Miles’ hands by the time Lipsey leaves the floor I just don’t see that as a successful contest of the shot.

Lipsey damn near gas one foot in the lane when Miles gathers to get into his shooting rhythm and he’s at the top of his release as Lipsey is leaving the floor.

Lipseys hand is also nowhere near his face. That was Fran’s point about the bad call - that Lipsey wasn’t even close to him and (unlike Gabe’s) was not going into the shooter.

It was going to be a successful flyby until Miles stuck the leg out.

 

[twincyties]

Players are taught to “run shooters off the line”, but the timing and spacing - not to mention the shooter - matters. That’s all I’m trying to say here.