*** Official #25 IOWA STATE vs #17 TCU Game(Day) Thread ***

[MeowingCows]

Yesterday was one of our most complete team games we've played in TJ's tenure. 5 guys in double figures, 5 guys with 4+ boards, 7 different guys logged either a steal or a block, 7 guys shot 50% or better, 6 guys logged 2+ assists...

You'll win a lot of games with these sort of statlines. A team can shut down a player, maybe two, but you can't stop everybody. This was an everybody win all across the statbook.

 

[dafarmer]

He is not an Iowa State fan.

Almost Surlly like.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I loved Chris Williams pointing out on the reaction pod that we were 4-16 from deep and that we doubled them up in points in the paint. With Baugh and Miles ability to drive and score in transition and having Lampkin I would've been shocked if we outscored them in the paint much less doubled them up! Felt like we were the better team for a lot of the game. Didn't feel like a fluke and like we were just hanging on for our lives

 

[t-noah]

I’m sure that’s why he was yelling loudly and repeatedly about it during the broadcast. He’s got a bullhorn.

And a Twitter, and who knows what else.

And he has a valid point.

And to his point, isn't the leg kick already banned, but they just aren't consistently calling it?

 

[Statefan10]

Players are taught to “run shooters off the line”, but the timing and spacing - not to mention the shooter - matters. That’s all I’m trying to say here.

So are you trying to say Lipsey shouldn’t have done anything?

 

[NoCreativity]

At college and above these guys shoot nearly as well with a hand in their face

I dont think this is true at all. Ever watch a pregame warmup? They rarely miss.

 

[twincyties]

So are you trying to say Lipsey shouldn’t have done anything?

I’m saying it’s a high risk low reward situation to run someone off the line like that when they’re already well into their release. Especially at that point in the game.

If you’ve ever played basketball there are different kinds of “close outs” for different situations and different shooters.

 

[Statefan10]

I’m saying it’s a high risk low reward situation to run someone off the line like that when they’re already well into their release. Especially at that point in the game.

If you’ve ever played basketball there are different kinds of “close outs” for different situations and different shooters.

Played basketball into college. You’re right that you close out differently depending on scouting report, but I think in Tamin’s case, he was correct in still trying to contest Mile’s shot even if it was going to be late.

But you’re right about the risk of contesting late leading to fouls. However, it wasn’t the right call on the court.

 

[twincyties]

Played basketball into college. You’re right that you close out differently depending on scouting report, but I think in Tamin’s case, he was correct in still trying to contest Mile’s shot even if it was going to be late.

But you’re right about the risk of contesting late leading to fouls. However, it wasn’t the right call on the court.

100% agree it was a bad call. Fran is right they need to clean this up in NCAA like they have (or at least have attempted to do in NBA).

My original post on this point was in defense of someone getting dumbed for questioning the wisdom and effectiveness of leaving your feet in that situation versus a hard close out with a hand up. Which is a fair question.

It’s spiraled into people suggesting my recommendation was for Lipsey to do nothing which is absurd.

If you’ve played college ball you understand that jumping past someone when the ball is already released isn’t a really good close out - at least not enough to risk fouling.

 

[Statefan10]

100% agree it was a bad call. Fran is right they need to clean this up in NCAA like they have (or at least have attempted to do in NBA).

My original post on this point was in defense of someone getting dumbed for questioning the wisdom and effectiveness of leaving your feet in that situation versus a hard close out with a hand up. Which is a fair question.

It’s spiraled into people suggesting my recommendation was for Lipsey to do nothing which is absurd.

If you’ve played college ball you understand that jumping past someone when the ball is already released isn’t a really good close out - at least not enough to risk fouling.

In full time, the decision by Lipsey to jump and contest was correct. Miles just has a quick release so the ball was out before Tamin got by. It seems as if you’re saying Tamin chose to jump after miles already shot it? If you slow it down they both jump at the exact same time.

 

[twincyties]

In full time, the decision by Lipsey to jump and contest was correct. Miles just has a quick release so the ball was out before Tamin got by. It seems as if you’re saying Tamin chose to jump after miles already shot it? If you slow it down they both jump at the exact same time.

I was taught to run a really good shooter off the line, but not if they were this far into gather and release. The objective being to get the offense player to put it on the floor, need to pump fake, or otherwise disrupt and get them out of rhythm.

Miles did get this off really quick and Lipsey covered a good amount of ground from his original position near the lane on this. But he was already wel in rhythm.

Again, original point here was to defend someone asking an honest question while others were insisting this was somehow a textbook contested shot and implying this is how basketball players are taught to close out every time.

I’m not trying to nitpick Lipsey on this. I just thought assertions that you are taught to “run someone off the line” all the time - even when they’re well into their gather and release is silly.

Also not trying to derail a thread here although it appears I’ve managed to do that anyway.

 

[Statefan10]

I was taught to run a really good shooter off the line, but not if they were this far into gather and release. The objective being to get the offense player to put it on the floor, need to pump fake, or otherwise disrupt and get them out of rhythm.

Miles did get this off really quick and Lipsey covered a good amount of ground from his original position near the lane on this. But he was already wel in rhythm.

Again, original point here was to defend someone asking an honest question while others were insisting this was somehow a textbook contested shot and implying this is how basketball players are taught to close out every time.

I’m not trying to nitpick Lipsey on this. I just thought assertions that you are taught to “run someone off the line” all the time - even when they’re well into their gather and release is silly.

Also not trying to derail a thread here although it appears I’ve managed to do that anyway.

You’re not supposed to do that every time but what Lipsey did was correct. The only way for him to contest the shot at all was to jump where he was at. He was a tad out of position to start which made it a late contest.

He did not, however, contest the shot after or during Miles’s release.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Miles extending his leg both times and the official fell for it both times, even though it was a point of emphasis, that it is NOT a foul on the defender when the shooter throws out his foot to impede the defender when the shooters is coming back down.

ISU should send the film to the league office and ask for an explanation of why there was a foul called on both of them.