*** Official #3 IOWA STATE vs Arizona Game(Day) Thread ***

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Okay, sure we were great in those games but going 2 for 4 is why I’m concerned. Maybe I’m overreacting a little, but we have to be more consistent. With two losses already it’s looking like we aren’t winning the conference.

We're basically at the halfway point of our conference slate. What do you mean 2 losses already? We have to win at Houston, but I hate how some of our fans have conceded the conference race.
 

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Okay, sure we were great in those games but going 2 for 4 is why I’m concerned. Maybe I’m overreacting a little, but we have to be more consistent. With two losses already it’s looking like we aren’t winning the conference.
If they hadn't lost on a 60 foot shot. And face it that was a gut punch after that hard to recover, they would be 3-1.

It was a fluke loss **** happens. In a atmosphere where most teams would have melted down.

4 games in 9 days criss crossing the country.

Relax
 

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Okay, sure we were great in those games but going 2 for 4 is why I’m concerned. Maybe I’m overreacting a little, but we have to be more consistent. With two losses already it’s looking like we aren’t winning the conference.
Beat Houston in Houston. If we lose in Phog Allen, go 17-3 and Houston goes 18-2 to still win it all, then the participation medal is us getting a 1 seed.
 

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The goal is to be prepped for the Big Dance and all these conference games serve as a litmus test.

I can’t help but think that the way our games were officiated in Morgantown and Tucson (incredibly physically in favor of the home team) are far removed from the mean. It’s just not how NCAA Tournament games are called. I posted in the gameday thread at least 6 missed blatant fouls on Arizona in the first half. Wildly blatant. Stopped counting in the second half.

Almost every Curt/Keshon drive resulted in arm slapping. You could see it in both of their faces “what do I have to do to get a damn foul call?” This is not basketball.

Outside of the officiating that’s out of our control, we are doing everything that a team with final four aspirations needs to do. We blow out inferior teams at home. We comfortably beat inferior teams on the road. We come back from deficits. We respond to adversity quite well. We’re successfully navigating a major injury.

When on the road in a quality conference, you’re going to face adversity. Talent is usually comparable. What sets us apart is maturity and patience when it really counts. It’s why I was calm when there were 4-5 minutes left. This team has shown that it saves its best for last. Arizona LUCKED into the two things it needed to beat us: have the refs swallow their whistles (egregious) and hit an incredibly lucky shot.

It sucked. But it’s so far outside of what will be allowed in the games that really matter. We’re primed for a deep run and Morgantown/Tucson didn’t change that.
I agree about officiating in tournament, but those guys last night were final four and didn’t look like it to me
 
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Beat Houston in Houston. If we lose in Phog Allen, go 17-3 and Houston goes 18-2 to still win it all, then the participation medal is us getting a 1 seed.
You're assuming we steamroll through the rest of the games also. I still think we pickup 1 more loss we weren't expecting. I think 16-4 or 15-5 is the most likely.
 

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I agree about officiating in tournament, but those guys last night were final four and didn’t look like it to me
Head-scratching stuff. It has seemed like for a couple years officials have been stuck in this anticipatory thing where they talk before the game and agree not to call our games like they would for other teams/conferences. That crap needs to end.
 
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As I stated, if you want to make it to the elite 8 or final four you have to limit these runs. Auburn had a 18-0 run, Arizona had a 16-0 run, even Iowa there was 12-1(good thing they aren't good).

At quick glance it looks like the biggest runs on Auburn and Houston are the following:
Auburn vs ISU 11-1 run
Houston vs Alabama 9-2 run

Runs happen but big swings or long periods on no baskets is a little concerning.
As a fan of any team, it’s easy to microscope these things and notice them and be critical of your own team. But I promise you if you look at the top five teams in the nation, all of them have given up multiple double digit runs this year ….its not just Iowa State…. it’s just basketball.

Just looking at a few games I show way more examples of large runs given up.

Houston 11-1, 8-0, 12-2 (probably best in the nation in this stat, which is also why metrically they are the top every year)
Auburn 15-4, 16-2, 16-2, 13-3
Duke 17-3, 13-0

I’m sure there’s more but I’m not gonna go through every game. It’s ideal not to give up runs like these. But they happen. Can ISU be better? Sure….. but overy concerning? Nope. If anything is concerning about this team, it’s unforced turnovers and over dribbling and I think that’s gonna get cleaned up as the year goes on and when we get Milan back to spread the floor.
 
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You're assuming we steamroll through the rest of the games also. I still think we pickup 1 more loss we weren't expecting. I think 16-4 or 15-5 is the most likely.
Will see what kind of luck Houston continues to have.. Maybe it's their year and it all goes well, But at Tech, Zona, Baylor, WV Playing KU Tech and ISU at home pretty tough schedule.

Will see where things are at Mid Feb
 
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I think you're right on it being slightly tougher last night, however Milan's shot was a tenth of a second from being good. The game was won, until they reviewed and it wasn't. I wouldn't be surprised if we start out sluggish but I would bet we'll cover whatever spread is put up and it could be a route. It's also going to be sold out and hostile because of it being K-State and Tang.
I also think as a fanbase that we need to be realistic that there are ebbs and flows to a season. Without Milan we are not nearly as good as offense when it comes to our spacing. I do think we shared the ball better last night and we certainly showcase championship mettle. Arizona threw some haymakers and we responded every single time in regulation. The one positive from Milan's injury is the emergence of Watson as a contributor moving forward. DW is going to be extremely important down the stretch even when Milan returns. That injury hopefully allows DW to see a future hear next year and return.

If we finish 26-5 (16-4) then we should be in the #4-#6 slot. If we win the Big 12 basketball tournament on top of that then we should be a #1 seed regardless if Houston wins the regular season.
 

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As a fan of any team, it’s easy to microscope these things and notice them and be critical of your own team. But I promise you if you look at the top five teams in the nation, all of them have given up multiple double digit runs this year ….its not just Iowa State…. it’s just basketball.

Just looking at a few games I show way more examples of large runs given up.

Houston 11-1, 8-0, 12-2 (probably best in the nation in this stat, which is also why metrically they are the top every year)
Auburn 15-4, 16-2, 16-2, 13-3
Duke 17-3, 13-0

I’m sure there’s more but I’m not gonna go through every game. It’s ideal not to give up runs like these. But they happen. Can ISU be better? Sure….. but overy concerning? Nope. If anything is concerning about this team, it’s unforced turnovers and over dribbling and I think that’s gonna get cleaned up as the year goes on and when we get Milan back to spread the floor.
There isn't a single team out there right now that's playing perfect basketball. Auburn, Duke and Alabama aren't either. Auburn has had some very close games go their way as of late and Alabama lost two weeks ago at home to Ole Miss. Heck, if Duke isn't playing at home last night they might've lost to a bad NCST team.
 

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1) I doubt TJ & Staff have discussed & dissected the nuances of the half court shot as much as the CF tribe. 2) Evidently a lot of CFers have a lot of free time at work & are quite displeased
 

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Actually you have a much better chance of a full court pass and a kick to a guard for a normal 25 foot 3 pointer then forcing them to in bound in the backcourt and make a 55 footer.
So a full court baseball pass is easier and more accurate than a pass 20 feet from the baseline? Try making that pass sometime and see how accurate it is. Its the hardest pass to make and why teams do not attempt it unless they are forced too.

I guess many think TJ is setting in his office this morning, saying to himself, "we will play that exactly like we did last night", the next time we get in that situation.
 

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I also think as a fanbase that we need to be realistic that there are ebbs and flows to a season. Without Milan we are not nearly as good as offense when it comes to our spacing. I do think we shared the ball better last night and we certainly showcase championship mettle. Arizona threw some haymakers and we responded every single time in regulation. The one positive from Milan's injury is the emergence of Watson as a contributor moving forward. DW is going to be extremely important down the stretch even when Milan returns. That injury hopefully allows DW to see a future hear next year and return.

If we finish 26-5 (16-4) then we should be in the #4-#6 slot. If we win the Big 12 basketball tournament on top of that then we should be a #1 seed regardless if Houston wins the regular season.
Definitely agree. As a fan, it sometimes is easy to get really high and really low after a win or a loss.

The game last night got sloppy here and there, but overall, it was extremely high-level basketball. The athleticism, the shot-making, defensive intensity, etc, were all incredible. I would've had so much fun watching that game if I didn't have a rooting interest in it (from the standpoint of essentially having a heart attack and then being hit in the nuts with a sledgehammer).
 
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Will see what kind of luck Houston continues to have.. Maybe it's their year and it all goes well, But at Tech, Zona, Baylor, WV Playing KU Tech and ISU at home pretty tough schedule.

Will see where things are at Mid Feb
I'm really pulling for West Virginia tommorrow night. I know it's not a true Round Robin, but that would mean Arizona and Houston both have won there which would put us at a slight disadvantage already.
 
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Well you seem to think you can’t inbound it to someone and have them pass it to someone else to shoot with 2.2 seconds. Clearly you can, no matter where it the inbounds happens on the court.
Not from the baseline, you keep forgetting to add that most important fact into you little argument. The Baylor game we inbounded it from the side, by our bench, it makes all the difference in the world. Its why in the NBA the rule says you take a timeout there, you get the ball at halfcourt, not under your own basket. It increases the odds of making the shot.
 
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Because they were playing the long pass first. You don't want them chucking a ball the length of the court for a close shot. How pissed would you have been if doubling Love in the back court led to a wide open 3 point shot in the corner from a long pass? You've only got 5 players to cover the whole court in that situation. They are more or less conceding the 3/4 court shot because it is very unlikely to go in even if completely unguarded.
Personally, I think the ISU coaches got exactly what they wanted on that play. They just didn’t get the outcome. With 2.4 seconds left, I was thrilled that Arizona attemped a 60 foot shot to tie the game, versus making a long pass and attempting a 25-30 foot shot. Just because the shot went in does not change my thoughts on the matter. If a gambler makes a bet with a 95 percent chance of winning and he/she doesn’t win, does that make it a bad bet? Not in my book.
 
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