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Any thoughts on time travel, and alternate timelines as a vehicle to bring the new aquired characters in the universe, such as X-Men. While it opens plot holes, it may make those things easier to accommodate.
 

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Any thoughts on time travel, and alternate timelines as a vehicle to bring the new aquired characters in the universe, such as X-Men. While it opens plot holes, it may make those things easier to accommodate.

I hope not. I do like the idea of a reset. Given the progression from Iron Man to now and how things just ramped up every movie, I hope they now return to to smaller scale villans with less power to make this more 'realistic'. Having every movie destroying at least a city was getting to be just overkill.

The characters we are left with for the most part are ones that we will see genuine struggle to defeat enemies (sans Captain Marvel). I think we'll see smaller movies that will crescendo to the next big one later. And I don't think that will be a bad thing.
 

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I hope not. I do like the idea of a reset. Given the progression from Iron Man to now and how things just ramped up every movie, I hope they now return to to smaller scale villans with less power to make this more 'realistic'. Having every movie destroying at least a city was getting to be just overkill.

The characters we are left with for the most part are ones that we will see genuine struggle to defeat enemies (sans Captain Marvel). I think we'll see smaller movies that will crescendo to the next big one later. And I don't think that will be a bad thing.
Spot on. I think with Feige at the helm we won’t see them trying to pull a repeat with different characters, at least not right away. Part of the reason Marvel has been so embraced is that they have been willing to try some pretty wildly different concepts. I just don’t see them changing that up now.
 

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Spot on. I think with Feige at the helm we won’t see them trying to pull a repeat with different characters, at least not right away. Part of the reason Marvel has been so embraced is that they have been willing to try some pretty wildly different concepts. I just don’t see them changing that up now.

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If he had used his bracelet, he would have returned to the platform. According to their explanation, only traveling through the quantum realm would get them to return to their reality.

It's a small thing, but it just seemed like the movie broke a lot of it's own rules to get things to wrap up easily.


The movie showed that people could jump multiple times in the past without the platform. They just needed particles. The platform must just be needed to return.

We saw Cap take four of Pym’s particles in the 1970s. He needed two for Tony and him to return. After the battle, he returns the stones and uses one of the extras to jump back, thus creating an alternate timeline with her. He lives in that timeline with Peggy until sometime after 2023 and uses the last particle to jump back to 2023 to before he jumps to return the stones. That would be a common point in both timelines. He sits on the bench before he even jumps to put the stones back. No platform is necessary because he doesn’t actually “return” and all fits within the story.
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The movie showed that people could jump multiple times in the past without the platform. They just needed particles. The platform must just be needed to return.

We saw Cap take four of Pym’s particles in the 1970s. He needed two for Tony and him to return. After the battle, he returns the stones and uses one of the extras to jump back, thus creating an alternate timeline with her. He lives in that timeline with Peggy until sometime after 2023 and uses the last particle to jump back to 2023 to before he jumps to return the stones. That would be a common point in both timelines. He sits on the bench before he even jumps to put the stones back. No platform is necessary because he doesn’t actually “return” and all fits within the story.
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Agreed, I can't link to it but just saw a Snapchat news article from IGN where the directors/writers confirmed he stayed in past and created an alternate timeline in which he lives a life with Carter.

He easily could have jumped back to the platform, walked out to the bench before Thanos blew it all up.
 

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The biggest plot hole I would say was the fact that they didn’t need to go back in time at all. Once Ant-man came back they could’ve had him shrink down to sub-atomic size and collect the shrunken infinity stones.
 

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The biggest plot hole I would say was the fact that they didn’t need to go back in time at all. Once Ant-man came back they could’ve had him shrink down to sub-atomic size and collect the shrunken infinity stones.

That isn’t really a plot hole. More like a story direction you didn’t like.
 
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One of the things I would have liked to see is the Captain Marvel movie end credit scene where she asks where Fury is, to actually show up in the endgame movie. I always kinda assumed Tony and Nebula in space would be saved by Captain Marvel. But when she landed on earth, they practically treated her as part of the team (except for Rhodes very short questioning). I would have expected a minute or two of the Avengers asking what her relationship was to Fury, where was she, etc.; and also an opening to the joke of how he got his eye patch (goose!) as opposed to the lie he tells everyone.

Other than that, I really enjoyed it. I consider the battle at the end to be on par with the battle of Winterfell in Game of Thrones.
 

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That isn’t really a plot hole. More like a story direction you didn’t like.
Didn’t say I disliked it, that would’ve been a boring ass movie with no conflict. Doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have been a hell of a lot simpler to do.
 

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One of the things I would have liked to see is the Captain Marvel movie end credit scene where she asks where Fury is, to actually show up in the endgame movie. I always kinda assumed Tony and Nebula in space would be saved by Captain Marvel. But when she landed on earth, they practically treated her as part of the team (except for Rhodes very short questioning). I would have expected a minute or two of the Avengers asking what her relationship was to Fury, where was she, etc.; and also an opening to the joke of how he got his eye patch (goose!) as opposed to the lie he tells everyone.

Other than that, I really enjoyed it. I consider the battle at the end to be on par with the battle of Winterfell in Game of Thrones.
Yeah, I agree the Captain Marvel introduction to the Avengers team seemed pretty abbreviated. It would have been cool to see some additional interaction there.

The problem with Captain Marvel is they made her too powerful. They were pretty much forced to take her out of the main storyline, otherwise she could have almost handled everything herself. It's the same with Thor to some extent, which I think is at least part of the reason we saw him become Thorbowksi...to scale him back a bit so he could stay engaged in the main story line of End Game.
 

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I thought what they did with Thor was funny for about 15 minutes. After that I was disappointed with his role in this movie but I guess he played a huge role in the first one.

I thought Captain Marvel was going to play a larger role in this movie.

Overall, I really enjoyed it.
 

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Yeah, I agree the Captain Marvel introduction to the Avengers team seemed pretty abbreviated. It would have been cool to see some additional interaction there.

The problem with Captain Marvel is they made her too powerful. They were pretty much forced to take her out of the main storyline, otherwise she could have almost handled everything herself. It's the same with Thor to some extent, which I think is at least part of the reason we saw him become Thorbowksi...to scale him back a bit so he could stay engaged in the main story line of End Game.
Thor's dadbod is completely there for comic relief, it had no visible effect on his capabilities. I could've gone for him asking for a break mid-fight with Thanos. I was really expecting Rene Russo to just give him a potion to fix it
 

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I really thought the movie was great and I enjoyed it throughout. I really did not know how they were going to handle bringing back all the dusted. When they found Thanos after destroying the stones I really thought WFT are they going to do now. I did not have an issue with the time travel you can't ever do a time travel theme with out plot holes so you should just sit back and enjoy it. I thought it was very clever the direction they went.

I almost don't want to bring it up because I can move past it because it is a comic book movie, but for all of the people complaining about issues in the movie no one has complained about this. I haven't seen anyone in either of the threads on CF bring up how humans were able to handle the stones. It was an issue no human could hold one in GofG but they showed the avengers holding multiple ones in this movie. So I am sure haters are going to run with this.
 

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I really thought the movie was great and I enjoyed it throughout. I really did not know how they were going to handle bringing back all the dusted. When they found Thanos after destroying the stones I really thought WFT are they going to do now. I did not have an issue with the time travel you can't ever do a time travel theme with out plot holes so you should just sit back and enjoy it. I thought it was very clever the direction they went.

I almost don't want to bring it up because I can move past it because it is a comic book movie, but for all of the people complaining about issues in the movie no one has complained about this. I haven't seen anyone in either of the threads on CF bring up how humans were able to handle the stones. It was an issue no human could hold one in GofG but they showed the avengers holding multiple ones in this movie. So I am sure haters are going to run with this.
The only one that wasn't able to be handled was the power stone. That was in the orb that Peter Quill found it in. I guess the movie doesn't show how they got it out and placed it in the gauntlet. We have never seen any other stone not be able to be handled by humans if my memory is correct.
 

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Speaking of random movie thoughts: No Goose! Best Buy has one that you can push a button and the tentacles come out of his mouth.
 

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Thor's dadbod is completely there for comic relief, it had no visible effect on his capabilities. I could've gone for him asking for a break mid-fight with Thanos. I was really expecting Rene Russo to just give him a potion to fix it
Yeah, I agree it was for comedic purposes, but in my mind it also made him a little less powerful. While it was never really directly addressed that Thor being fat had any detrimental affects on his abilities, it sure seemed that way to me. Sure, he could still throw lightning and such, but I think it affected him in other ways. I mean, Thor was able to take out Inifinity Gauntlet wielding Thanos in Infinity War, but he didn't seem to fair quite as well against Thanos in End Game, and he didn't even have the Infinity Gauntlet then. I don't know...just my interpretation, I guess.
 
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Yeah, I agree it was for comedic purposes, but in my mind it also made him a little less powerful. While it was never really directly addressed that Thor being fat had any detrimental affects on his abilities, it sure seemed that way to me. Sure, he could still throw lightning and such, but I think it affected him in other ways. I mean, Thor was able to take out Inifinity Gauntlet wielding Thanos in Infinity War, but he didn't seem to fair quite as well against Thanos in End Game, and he didn't even have the Infinity Gauntlet then. I don't know...just my interpretation, I guess.

After the end of Ragnorak and nailing Thanos not-in-the-head with his big hammer at the end of Infinity War, I thought the implication was Thor had maxed out his power.

Then he got fat and lazy and hit rock bottom.

I think it is a reasonable supposition from the audience that Thor would take a step down from "apex Thor" drilling Thanos in the chest while playing Fortnite all day.
 
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