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***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

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isucy86

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Lots of rumors out there today that decisions have been made. UC, Memphis, Houston, BYU.

We will see if that proves correct.
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I have a tough time believing both Houston and Memphis get invited. Not sure why the Big12 would want to add 2 schools that have enjoyed traditionally very low fan support. Houston is a bigger TV market and Hermann is still the coach. Memphis lost it's coach and I think the Fed-X angle is overblown.

IMO BYU and Cincy are locks (if a Big12/Pac12 merger doesn't happen). Both have successful football programs, bring strong TV interest and overall strong athletic programs.

After that, what school has the most expansion value to the Big10, ACC or SEC? I don't think that is Houston or Memphis. IMO it is UConn. They have elite MBB & WBB programs. With Big12 TV money, UConn could invest heavily in FB.

If the Big12 stops at 14 schools, does it make the most sense to add a rival for BYU? IMO CSU is the logical choice. They are a large state school. Strong academics and research. Just built a new 40k seat stadium. Solid MBB, WBB and volleyball programs. Colorado is also home for a lot of Iowa, Kansas and Texas transplants.

Houston wouldn't be on my list of 14. If Texas demands it, maybe a compromise of adding Houston in 4-6 years if/when the Big12 expands to 16 teams. If I am the Big12, I would want to see ongoing success by Houston FB and overall improvement in their athletic department.
 
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isucy86 said:
I have a tough time believing both Houston and Memphis get invited. Not sure why the Big12 would want to add 2 schools that have enjoyed traditionally very low fan support. Houston is a bigger TV market and Hermann is still the coach. Memphis lost it's coach and I think the Fed-X angle is overblown.

IMO BYU and Cincy are locks (if a Big12/Pac12 merger doesn't happen). Both have successful football programs, bring strong TV interest and overall strong athletic programs.

After that, what school has the most expansion value to the Big10, ACC or SEC? I don't think that is Houston or Memphis. IMO it is UConn. They have elite MBB & WBB programs. With Big12 TV money, UConn could invest heavily in FB.

If the Big12 stops at 14 schools, does it make the most sense to add a rival for BYU? IMO CSU is the logical choice. They are a large state school. Strong academics and research. Just built a new 40k seat stadium. Solid MBB, WBB and volleyball programs. Colorado is also home for a lot of Iowa, Kansas and Texas transplants.

Houston wouldn't be on my list of 14. If Texas demands it, maybe a compromise of adding Houston in 4-6 years if/when the Big12 expands to 16 teams. If I am the Big12, I would want to see ongoing success by Houston FB and overall improvement in their athletic department.
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Here's hoping an elite WBB program has absolutely no weight in the decision making process
 
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HoopsTournament said:
Houston, BYU and Cincinnati are locks if we go to 14. No amount of rationalization, arguing or complaining is going to change that. 14th team is up for grabs.
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The only way I see the B12 going to 14 is if Fox is desperate for FS2 content and will overpay to fund the addition of 4 more schools. I agree those 3 schools will be in the mix and I hope the 4th is either CSU or UConn and not another commuter school like Houston or Cincy.
 
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How great would it be if we add no teams but add $50 mil per year, $5 mil each. I'd only like to add if it's right. GOR extension and more money. Anything else, meh.
 
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KnappShack said:
Here's hoping an elite WBB program has absolutely no weight in the decision making process
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It won't. But it's kind of amusing that this particular part of the post you quoted is what got your attention enough to comment.
 
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Buster28 said:
It won't. But it's kind of amusing that this particular part of the post you quoted is what got your attention enough to comment.
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The other points have been hammered into the ground more than enough times.

Not to the slam the poster, but there really aren't many additional points that haven't been covered. The cards are on the table. How the conference plays the game is now the story.

Still guessing no more than 12. I would also guess no expansion will happen before 14. Luckily this is the internet and expansion opinions are like a-holes...everyone has one. So there's my guess

(P.S. spelling a**hol*s actually makes it past the filter)
 
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ESPN and FOX can go fly a kite. Screw them. I think they are just trying to get rid of the Big XII. How much did they both just pay for shitter Big X content. I mean is Rutgers better than any of the teams being considered, no. But hey they paid 1 Billion or so for great Tier 1 content like Iowa vs Nebraska.
 
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CarrollCyclone said:
TV partners pushing back on Big 12 expansion

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/08/01/Media/Big-12-TV.aspx
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If the likes of Houston and Cinci are really the teams under consideration for Big 12 expansion, naturally the TV partners would balk at that prospect. ESPN already has the AAC schools in their portfolio for less than $10 million/yr through 2019, and they know that those schools don't magically become worth 2 to 3 times more just because they move to the Big 12.

Who is going to blink first? Pollard says the goal is a GOR exetnsion, and it certainly doesn't look like Fox and ESPN want anything to do with a GOR extension that makes them throw money at AAC schools that aren't worth it.
 
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CarrollCyclone said:
TV partners pushing back on Big 12 expansion

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2016/08/01/Media/Big-12-TV.aspx
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Not at all surprising. Puts the conference in a good position to negotiate a TV extension now with 10 teams. I do question if their feeling is based on Houston and Memphis or if BYU and Cincinnati would also fall into those conerns. It seems at least BYU would warrant that kind of money. Perhaps the conference threw the 14 team number out there just to make 12 teams more palletteable.
 
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The more that comes out, the more I think the expansion talk was just to get the TV networks to discuss an extension of the TV contract and GOR. Ultimately, that's what the league needs and what the league wanted earlier this year. A good way to do that is to tell the TV networks that they're going to have to pay us $80mil for something that's worth $30mil. Suddenly, they may be more willing to sign a new contract with 10 teams with an increased financial escalation to keep up with the other P5 conferences.
 
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For those arguing that academics mean something please remember in 2010 when we were scared to death that we would be a MAC or MWC member. ISU is one of three remaining schools in the B12 with good academic pedigree, and it is unlikely if the B12 were to fail, that we would be invited to the B1G, SEC, ACC or PAC12.

This is all about football revenue.
 
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Clonehomer said:
The more that comes out, the more I think the expansion talk was just to get the TV networks to discuss an extension of the TV contract and GOR. Ultimately, that's what the league needs and what the league wanted earlier this year. A good way to do that is to tell the TV networks that they're going to have to pay us $80mil for something that's worth $30mil. Suddenly, they may be more willing to sign a new contract with 10 teams with an increased financial escalation to keep up with the other P5 conferences.
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This and potential merger of B12 and Pac12. Those are the only things that actually provide the B12 stability going past our current GOR. It is also the only leverage we had once the ACC reupped their GOR and got a conference network. I am sure the B12 was thinking the ACC wouldn't get a network, because as they were told it doesn't make economic sense. The B12 then would have grabbed a couple of ACC schools or had some form of a ACC/B12 merger. But once that was off the table they needed to force their TV partners hands.

I wonder if the ACC would be open to a merger. Lets go big. 24 team mega conference, four groups of 6 teams, and then you play one team from each other pod. That is 8 conference games. That is a hell of a lot of inventory.
 
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You're calling R1 research universities community colleges? Wow.

Also, it's not what schools a team plays during any given season's schedule. It's about who that university associates with. Even if ISU did play an ivy league school for a football game, they wouldn't be associated with each other because ISU isn't a member of the ivy league. ISU will, however, be associated with the rest of the Big 12 members, whoever they are/will be. That's why the academic stature of the conference matters. Also, it's not just about the academic stature of the college of engineering, it's the entire university. Since it's university presidents that vote, I'd suggest you at least try to think like a university president. Sports are only one component of many in running a university.
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It's a common joke on these boards man, pretty sure you post enough to be familiar with it. Academics ar TTU, KSU, and OSU are all relatively weak. They are often cited as obstacles for UT, OU, or KU leaving because the B1G or Pac wouldn't touch those schools.

If conference academics could hurt or perception it would already be happening. The Big 12 is pretty clearly 4th out of the 5 leagues in this regard.

Please feel free to post some links to make your case, because experience to date doesn't back it. ATM went to a crappier academic conference for some TV dollars and didn't look back. The mighty B1G with all their bluster about academics and AAU requirements took Nebraska when it was clear they were losing AAU status and other options were on the table. Why? Better football, more TV money.

Our peer institutions are other labs grants, schools with strong ag and engineering programs, and our sports scheduling agreement doesn't change that. I would be shocked if half the members of the faculty could name all 9 of the other members of our league. I would guess the same for prospective students and their parents.

Let me know when US News or Princeton Review our whoever add athletic conference affiliation to their academic ratings. I won't hold my breath.
 
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