****Official Class of 2019 Recruiting Thread****

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Lard has to be in the hit column. I think the 2018 class is 4/4, as all have the talent to play at this level, and I think the 2017 class was 3/3. Really, we're looking at a 1/5 start and 8/9 after that (IMO). I think Ernst is actually doing well at FGCU.

Agree with everything you said except I might hold off on calling Griffin a hit just yet. Still too early to tell imo though I remain hopeful. I think a full off season of skill development and practice time will do him wonders this upcoming summer.

Conditt, while still raw in some areas, has exceeded my expectations. Haliburton has blown the roof off even the most optimistic expectations. The NBA draft nerds love him.
 
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Agree with everything you said except I might hold off on calling Griffin a hit just yet. Still too early to tell imo though I remain hopeful. I think a full off season of skill development and practice time will do him wonders this upcoming summer.

Conditt, while still raw in some areas, has exceeded my expectations. Haliburton has blown the roof off even the most optimistic expectations. The NBA draft nerds love him.

Yeah, it's a bit early on that call, but I'm an optimist.
 

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2020 we will get an inside recruit. Think we have 2 of them on the serious radar right now. The kid from Iowa and the legacy recruit from Minnesota. I think the coaches are trying to build our team like Nova. Very guard focused with a banger down low that can rebound and just because you are 6'9 does not make you a down low guy.
 
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Every freshman that Prohm has brought to Ames...

2015
Noskowiak = bust
Carter = bust
Ernst = bust

2016
Long = bust
Young = solid, still developing though, hopefully shakes the injury bug soon

2017
Wigginton = big hit, hopefully healthy soon
Lewis = undistinguished freshman year, but seems to be coming around lately
Lard = flashes of greatest last season, but maddeningly inconsistent

2018
Haliburton = big hit, already starter-quality in the Big 12
Horton-Tucker = even bigger, probably starts every game he plays in Ames
Griffin = wobbly so far, but very early in his career
Conditt = inconsistent, but the size and talent are obviously there

Hits = 4 (calling Solomon a hit)
Unsure = 4 (and putting Lard in here)
Busts = 4 (especially early on)

While Prohm is responsible for the 2015 Class he didn't take the job until June of the year leaving him little time to get commitments from that class. Carter and Ernst were more roster fillers who signed very late. Noskowiak was a TJ guy and I doubt Prohm really had much to do with his commitment rather grandfathering in the offer. I have a difficult time really counting any of the 3 against CSP.

Long was a Prohm guy, but after his shoulder injuries never reached his potential and should be considered a bust. We also should CSP give credit for Prohm for D-Jax, I realize he was a JuCo transfer but did contribute for 2 years. Solomon was a TJ guy from the start, and has started since his midway through his freshman year. That is a hit like you said especially considering his 3 star rating.

2018 All three are hits. Lard already has gotten recognition as an All Big 12 player even if things don't go as well as we hope in the future getting a 3 star to contribute at that level already is a hit. Lewis should rank as unsure, but he moves like a Big 12 player and his shot looks pure. Still his defense needs to improve to really break the rotation, but he can get there this year or next. Terrence has at least earned the scholly offer, and shown why the staff wanted him.

2019 Class is trending very well but it is really to early to grade it as hit and misses 10 games in, though I consider THT, Haliburton hits already. Griffin and Conditt have shown flashes and look the part of Big 12 players. Very good class early, and aligns with the highest raked in program history.

Overall the most important aspect is now that Prohm has fully taken the control of the program after CFH the past two classes have been very talented with a lot of lower rated players hitting in his system. It bodes well for the future of the program.
 
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2020 we will get an inside recruit. Think we have 2 of them on the serious radar right now. The kid from Iowa and the legacy recruit from Minnesota. I think the coaches are trying to build our team like Nova. Very guard focused with a banger down low that can rebound and just because you are 6'9 does not make you a down low guy.

Yeah that will be a focus of the staff afer this year. Pretty clear Prohm prefers to play 4 guard line-up ideally thus there will more of an emphasis on guards and wings in his recruiting with a few stretch posts on the roster. Foster and Carleson fit that mold.
 

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I wouldn't be shocked. Jackson plays tough defense and is a lights out shooter. He is the kind of player who can make an immediate impact. Will he have the chance to? Probably not. Could He? I think so.
You do realize he plays in South Carolina’s small school class, right? That’s a huge leap to the Big XII. I have no quibble with “pure shooter”,the kid is impressive in that facet. Anything else, I’ll reserve judgement on.
 

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Overall the most important aspect is now that Prohm has fully taken the control of the program after CFH the past two classes have been very talented with a lot of lower rated players hitting in his system. It bodes well for the future of the program.
Lard is not a member of the “last two classes” with Wigginton. He committed the year prior (‘16), enrolled late, and redshirted.

Some of you need to revisit your calculations.
 

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Every freshman that Prohm has brought to Ames...

2015
Noskowiak = bust
Carter = bust
Ernst = bust

2016
Long = bust
Young = solid, still developing though, hopefully shakes the injury bug soon

2017
Wigginton = big hit, hopefully healthy soon
Lewis = undistinguished freshman year, but seems to be coming around lately
Lard = flashes of greatest last season, but maddeningly inconsistent

2018
Haliburton = big hit, already starter-quality in the Big 12
Horton-Tucker = even bigger, probably starts every game he plays in Ames
Griffin = wobbly so far, but very early in his career
Conditt = inconsistent, but the size and talent are obviously there

Hits = 4 (calling Solomon a hit)
Unsure = 4 (and putting Lard in here)
Busts = 4 (especially early on)

I have a hard time blaming him for 3 2015 busts. He didn't get the job until June. Busts are all that are available in June.
 

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You do realize he plays in South Carolina’s small school class, right? That’s a huge leap to the Big XII. I have no quibble with “pure shooter”,the kid is impressive in that facet. Anything else, I’ll reserve judgement on.
Right, because if he were in the biggest class it would change things.
 

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You do realize he plays in South Carolina’s small school class, right? That’s a huge leap to the Big XII. I have no quibble with “pure shooter”,the kid is impressive in that facet. Anything else, I’ll reserve judgement on.
5A is small in South Carolina?
 

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You do realize he plays in South Carolina’s small school class, right? That’s a huge leap to the Big XII. I have no quibble with “pure shooter”,the kid is impressive in that facet. Anything else, I’ll reserve judgement on.

His high school has nearly 2000 kids in grades 9-12. South Carolina must have some HUGE schools if he's in the smallest class.

https://www.niche.com/k12/blythewood-high-school-blythewood-sc/

Blythewood High School is a highly rated, public school located in Blythewood, SC. It has 1,927 students in grades 9-12 with a student-teacher ratio of 17 to 1. According to state test scores, 86% of students are at least proficient in math and 87% in reading.
 
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His high school has nearly 2000 kids in grades 9-12. South Carolina must have some HUGE schools if he's in the smallest class.

https://www.niche.com/k12/blythewood-high-school-blythewood-sc/

Blythewood High School is a highly rated, public school located in Blythewood, SC. It has 1,927 students in grades 9-12 with a student-teacher ratio of 17 to 1. According to state test scores, 86% of students are at least proficient in math and 87% in reading.

 

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Lard has to be in the hit column. I think the 2018 class is 4/4, as all have the talent to play at this level, and I think the 2017 class was 3/3. Really, we're looking at a 1/5 start and 8/9 after that (IMO). I think Ernst is actually doing well at FGCU.

I was judging things as they are now and trying to keep things as simple as possible. With Cameron, we know what he did last season (with some flashes of greatness, but also much boneheaded fouling and being in coach's doghouse). We have not seen much of him yet this season. He could yet turn into a solid player or even a huge hit, but if what he did as a freshman is all he ever does, then I would call him a bust. Being a good player on a bad team that ultimately does not really impact the overall trajectory of the program means a bust if that is all he ever does (not predicting or wishing for this, but if he never really catches on again this year and ends up leaving the program to go off into the wilderness, I call that a bust).

Hence, I think it is fair to say the jury is out on Lard's career.

Ernst is averaging 17.9 minutes per game at FGCU. That is, okay, I guess?

Even if he was going to be all-conference in the Atlantic Sun, however, I would still consider him a bust. You have to judge them on what they accomplished in Ames. Maybe Jakolby Long goes to Cedar City, Utah, finally gets healthy, practices like a demon, and comes out and is the best player in the Big Sky and plays in an NCAA tournament. Think something like the career of Custer. Him doing that for another team does not justify his inability to make a mark as a Cyclone, however, and makes you wonder why the first coach could not unlock the potential.

Wasn't Noskowiak actually a Fred recruit? I think he signed in April of 2015.

I actually consider two guys TJ recruits -- Noskowiak and bringing in Nick as a legacy and transfer. I know Fred was nominally still the head coach and/or we had not hired a new head coach at the time, but TJ was interim head coach in everything but name.

While Prohm is responsible for the 2015 Class he didn't take the job until June of the year leaving him little time to get commitments from that class. Carter and Ernst were more roster fillers who signed very late. Noskowiak was a TJ guy and I doubt Prohm really had much to do with his commitment rather grandfathering in the offer. I have a difficult time really counting any of the 3 against CSP.

Long was a Prohm guy, but after his shoulder injuries never reached his potential and should be considered a bust. We also should CSP give credit for Prohm for D-Jax, I realize he was a JuCo transfer but did contribute for 2 years. Solomon was a TJ guy from the start, and has started since his midway through his freshman year. That is a hit like you said especially considering his 3 star rating.

2018 All three are hits. Lard already has gotten recognition as an All Big 12 player even if things don't go as well as we hope in the future getting a 3 star to contribute at that level already is a hit. Lewis should rank as unsure, but he moves like a Big 12 player and his shot looks pure. Still his defense needs to improve to really break the rotation, but he can get there this year or next. Terrence has at least earned the scholly offer, and shown why the staff wanted him.

2019 Class is trending very well but it is really to early to grade it as hit and misses 10 games in, though I consider THT, Haliburton hits already. Griffin and Conditt have shown flashes and look the part of Big 12 players. Very good class early, and aligns with the highest raked in program history.

Overall the most important aspect is now that Prohm has fully taken the control of the program after CFH the past two classes have been very talented with a lot of lower rated players hitting in his system. It bodes well for the future of the program.

I do not "blame" Prohm for the bust of the 2015 class. I realize he had very little time to throw it together and just sort of took what scraps he could find.

The fact he mostly hit (removing the 2015 class puts him at four hits, four unknowns with good prospects going, and one undeniable bust) on everything since then is encouraging. I do agree with you that you have to give him some credit for Jackson, who would have had a vital role on basically every Iowa State team in history if not quite as a starter. I think you have to do the same for Shayok and Jacobson if you are going down that rabbit hole, though, and I was only talking about incoming freshman out of high schools or prep schools.

I find it ironic that we so associate the transfer strategy with Fred and called that era Transfer U while Prohm is starting three transfers right now (and is bringing another one into the rotation with Talley). That is absolutely in keeping with those early Fred teams.

Lard is not a member of the “last two classes” with Wigginton. He committed the year prior (‘16), enrolled late, and redshirted.

Some of you need to revisit your calculations.

I think we all remember the complicated path that Cameron took to arrive in Ames. He first hit the court in 2017, though, and his class ranking now as a sophomore is the same as Lindell and Lewis. I do not think if he was 2016 or 2017 really matters all that much towards judging him as a successful recruiting outcome, a bust, or something eventually in the middle.
 
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I was judging things as they are now and trying to keep things as simple as possible. With Cameron, we know what he did last season (with some flashes of greatness, but also much boneheaded fouling and being in coach's doghouse). We have not seen much of him yet this season. He could yet turn into a solid player or even a huge hit, but if what he did as a freshman is all he ever does, then I would call him a bust. Being a good player on a bad team that ultimately does not really impact the overall trajectory of the program means a bust if that is all he ever does (not predicting or wishing for this, but if he never really catches on again this year and ends up leaving the program to go off into the wilderness, I call that a bust).

Hence, I think it is fair to say the jury is out on Lard's career.

Ernst is averaging 17.9 minutes per game at FGCU. That is, okay, I guess?

Even if he was going to be all-conference in the Atlantic Sun, however, I would still consider him a bust. You have to judge them on what they accomplished in Ames. Maybe Jakolby Long goes to Cedar City, Utah, finally gets healthy, practices like a demon, and comes out and is the best player in the Big Sky and plays in an NCAA tournament. Think something like the career of Custer. Him doing that for another team does not justify his inability to make a mark as a Cyclone, however, and makes you wonder why the first coach could not unlock the potential.



I actually consider two guys TJ recruits -- Noskowiak and bringing in Nick as a legacy and transfer. I know Fred was nominally still the head coach and/or we had not hired a new head coach at the time, but TJ was interim head coach in everything but name.



I do not "blame" Prohm for the bust of the 2015 class. I realize he had very little time to throw it together and just sort of took what scraps he could find.

The fact he mostly hit (removing the 2015 class puts him at four hits, four unknowns with good prospects going, and one undeniable bust) on everything since then is encouraging. I do agree with you that you have to give him some credit for Jackson, who would have had a vital role on basically every Iowa State team in history if not quite as a starter. I think you have to do the same for Shayok and Jacobson if you are going down that rabbit hole, though, and I was only talking about incoming freshman out of high schools or prep schools.

I find it ironic that we so associate the transfer strategy with Fred and called that era Transfer U while Prohm is starting three transfers right now (and is bringing another one into the rotation with Talley). That is absolutely in keeping with those early Fred teams.



I think we all remember the complicated path that Cameron took to arrive in Ames. He first hit the court in 2017, though, and his class ranking now as a sophomore is the same as Lindell and Lewis. I do not think if he was 2016 or 2017 really matters all that much towards judging him as a successful recruiting outcome, a bust, or something eventually in the middle.

Agree on Ernst. FGCU is probably is his proper level. Just noting that he had gone on to some success as a side note.
 

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Lard is not a member of the “last two classes” with Wigginton. He committed the year prior (‘16), enrolled late, and redshirted.

Some of you need to revisit your calculations.

Who really cares if Lard was 2016 or 2017? Was he recruited by Prohm? Yes? Then that's all that is needed in a discussion re: Prohm's recruiting abilities. He was a hit, not a miss. End of story.
 

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His high school has nearly 2000 kids in grades 9-12. South Carolina must have some HUGE schools if he's in the smallest class.

https://www.niche.com/k12/blythewood-high-school-blythewood-sc/

Blythewood High School is a highly rated, public school located in Blythewood, SC. It has 1,927 students in grades 9-12 with a student-teacher ratio of 17 to 1. According to state test scores, 86% of students are at least proficient in math and 87% in reading.

Fake news! I don't care for facts.
 

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Who really cares if Lard was 2016 or 2017? Was he recruited by Prohm? Yes? Then that's all that is needed in a discussion re: Prohm's recruiting abilities. He was a hit, not a miss. End of story.
Talent wise he may be a hit, but fit wise he may not.
 

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Prohm is betting that culture and development is going to win in the end. That experienced upperclassmen, even if they came into the program without the gaudiest of evaluations, are going to be able to compete with teams stocked with 5* athletes.

No. Prohm is trying to recruit the best players he can sign, including 5* athletes like Wigginton.
 

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I find it ironic that we so associate the transfer strategy with Fred and called that era Transfer U while Prohm is starting three transfers right now (and is bringing another one into the rotation with Talley). That is absolutely in keeping with those early Fred teams.

Prohm hit a home run this year with Shayok and Jacobson. His first three years of transfers were complete busts and not even close to the caliber we were getting under Fred.

He's finally caught up this year to the quality of transfers that Fred brought in for 5 straight seasons. To say that he's keeping up with those Fred teams isnt really accurate when hes only hit on high quality transfers 1 out of 4 years.