***Official ISU vs CU Post Game Thread***

[ISUFan22]

Again, talent discrepancies have existed between us and many of our competitors. Team chemistry has likely been affected by both off- and in-season defections and injuries. Now you add in fatigue and defeat. Effort doesn't always equal wins - sometimes there are just too many other factors going on.

The factors going on is this team is a consistent loser and in a number of cases, finds ways to lose rather than finding ways to win. Again, the fatigue is just one of many, many issues.

And this team has the talent to perform much better. Played great for much of the Texas game. Had KSU on the ropes until we had to endure another halftime. I could go on.

 

[Enginerd]

To me, the play that hurt the most was Brackins throwing up a 3 in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock when we're down by two. I think there was about 1:20 left. That was not the shot we needed there and we had no one in position to rebound it. Against a team like Colorado there is no reason that CB should be outside the free throw line, let alone in position to shoot a 3 pointer. I know that he's trying to show the NBA that he can play a small forward, but he is killing this team with those stupid shots.

My thoughts exactly. The opponent will give you that shot any time why take it early in the shot clock? Why settle for that at all if you are a NBA lottery pick? I appreciate Craig Brackins and I know he is facing double teams and is the focus of other team's defenses but his decision making this year is poor. He, like his coach, is not imposing his will. When Craig Brackins has more three point attempts than free throw attempts something is wrong with the player's decision making and the coach's game plan. This has been happening all season long and it appears as though nothing is being done about it. Greg's gun shy approach to his best player is hurting the team, the program, and the player. I hate to bag on Brackins because he is the best we have and I love the guy for coming back but someone needs to tell the kid to toughen up.

On a much more positive note I loved the play where Gilstrap dished to Brackins for a dunk. I hoped we would see much more of that this year.

We are No. 11!

 

[Angie]

So, is Craig above accountability? Is Greg. Is everyone?

Did anyone say that? Craig is accountable to his coach, his team, the athletic department/school for paying his education, and himself/his family.

 

[ISUFan22]

Do you honestly think our talent level is the same as Duke and Kansas, as well as many of the others?

We didn't play those teams today and I don't see anyone whining that we couldn't beat them. We played Colorado. Frickin' lowly Colorado. A team that has been publicly trashing one another for a couple weeks now.

 

[Clone_12]

So, is Craig above accountability? Is Greg. Is everyone?

Evidently they are... I like both of them, but you can't rationalize awful defense and awful shot selection with, "well he chose to come back, so we can't be upset at him for that"...or "we don't have the depth to send a message to anybody, so how is McDermott supposed to send a message to this team?"...

There HAS to be accountability...and it sure as heck seems like there is none on this team...I heard Greg say earlier this season this this team is too fragile to really get on them, and that they need patted on the back instead. How is that working out? 3-11? 14-15? Next year if Gilstrap and Brackins leave is that an excuse to "start over"?

 

[Angie]

We didn't play those teams today and I don't see anyone whining that we couldn't beat them. We played Colorado. Frickin' lowly Colorado. A team that has been publicly trashing one another for a couple weeks now.

Did you read the post I quoted, specifically mentioning those teams? Or the post to which he was responding?

Yes, we did play Colorado, at their house, where we seem to always manage to find a way to lose. Is it disappointing/frustrating? Absolutely. Surprising? Not really. Should we have won? Definitely. But it's not a shock.

 

[Wesley]

Evidently they are... I like both of them, but you can't rationalize awful defense and awful shot selection with, "well he chose to come back, so we can't be upset at him for that"...or "we don't have the depth to send a message to anybody, so how is McDermott supposed to send a message to this team?"...

There HAS to be accountability...and it sure as heck seems like there is none on this team...I heard Greg say earlier this season this this team is too fragile to really get on them, and that they need patted on the back instead. How is that working out? 3-11? 14-15? Next year if Gilstrap and Brackins leave is that an excuse to "start over"?

It will be another Year One no matter what.

When you have an 18-1 edge in offensive rebounds, you should not lose unless you are doing something wrong. Well....

 

[Clone_12]

Do you honestly think our talent level is the same as Duke and Kansas, as well as many of the others? Also anyone who has been around the game knows that there are times when it just doesn't click no matter what you try - shots don't fall, you get a bad bounce on a rebound, etc. I'm not at all saying that there haven't been individual moments when we haven't looked like we have given up - but the fact that we have been in almost every game we've played, especially when we've had to fight back (with a few obvious exceptions) shows that we're trying. To say that we've given up overall is obviously false, or else we wouldn't have ever battled back - we would have gotten down and stayed down.

Did you read my post? At no point did I say we were as good as Kansas or Duke. I asked you if you watched those games and you thought our effort was good in those games...I also commented on Houston, Texas Tech, Colorado, and Oklahoma...we have just as much, if not more talent than those teams.

And as far as I'm concerned, effort on the court has nothing to do with whether or not your "getting bad bounces" or having "shots not drop"...I'm talking about PLAYING HARD ON DEFENSE AND HUSTLING FOR 40MINUTES. And also, when did I ever say we've "given up overall"?

I'm asking you simple questions...did you watch those games?...and did you think we played hard for 40minutes in those games?

 

[Wesley]

Did you read my post? At no point did I say we were as good as Kansas or Duke. I asked you if you watched those games and you thought our effort was good in those games...I also commented on Houston, Texas Tech, Colorado, and Oklahoma...we have just as much, if not more talent than those teams.

And as far as I'm concerned, effort on the court has nothing to do with whether or not your "getting bad bounces" or having "shots not drop"...I'm talking about PLAYING HARD ON DEFENSE AND HUSTLING FOR 40MINUTES. And also, when did I ever say we've "given up overall"?

I'm asking you simple questions...did you watch those games?...and did you think we played hard for 40minutes in those games?

Colorado shot 9 for 20 on three pointers to win the game. So just who did not defend the perimeter? The guards? The forwards? The center? Five different Buffs made the shots.

 

[twojman]

My in depth analysis:

We stink.

McD may be a good coach on some levels but not at the Big 12, we need a change if we hope to salvage this program. Hilton Magic left in 2006.

 

[Angie]

Did you read my post? At no point did I say we were as good as Kansas or Duke. I asked you if you watched those games and you thought our effort was good in those games...I also commented on Houston, Texas Tech, Colorado, and Oklahoma...we have just as much, if not more talent than those teams.

And as far as I'm concerned, effort on the court has nothing to do with whether or not your "getting bad bounces" or having "shots not drop"...I'm talking about PLAYING HARD ON DEFENSE AND HUSTLING FOR 40MINUTES. And also, when did I ever say we've "given up overall"?

I'm asking you simple questions...did you watch those games?...and did you think we played hard for 40minutes in those games?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were the only one in the thread to whom I could respond in my posts. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes, I watched those games. No, I don't think it looked like we played hard for all 40 minutes in both of those games. But, yes, there have been people in this thread and others who have said we have given up as a team, and that's to whom my comment was directed - it's pretty clear that we are still giving an effort. To say we have "no heart" (which, let me be clear, is not something of which I am accusing YOU, clone_12, of saying) is obviously untrue if we've battled back into games. Is it enough heart? That's arguable, but this team obviously hasn't just given up. (Again, let me make it clear that this is a response to the thread in general, not just the quoted poster.)

 

[Balls]

The only places that all the problems can be traced back to are coaching & team management. Pretty simple.

 

[Clone_12]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were the only one in the thread to whom I could respond in my posts. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes, I watched those games. No, I don't think it looked like we played hard for all 40 minutes in both of those games. But, yes, there have been people in this thread and others who have said we have given up as a team, and that's to whom my comment was directed - it's pretty clear that we are still giving an effort. To say we have "no heart" (which, let me be clear, is not something of which I am accusing YOU, clone_12, of saying) is obviously untrue if we've battled back into games. Is it enough heart? That's arguable, but this team obviously hasn't just given up. (Again, let me make it clear that this is a response to the thread in general, not just the quoted poster.)

Fair enough...I guess I just thought that when my post was quoted by you...you were making your points at me and not other people.

 

[Toasted40]

The sad part is that this could have really laid the groundwork for a win against Missouri. A win would given this team a confidence boost.

Another tough loss for a team that doesn't know how to win. Another tough loss for a team that is mentally fragile.

Hopefully, this group can forget all that they have become, and get up for one good win this season.

 

[joefrog]

My in depth analysis:

We stink.

McD may be a good coach on some levels but not at the Big 12, we need a change if we hope to salvage this program. Hilton Magic left in 2006.

I agree. Big time.

Although the McD apologists will tell us how it takes a new coach about 7 or 8 years to really get his players and system in place. Just gotta be patient. Don't want to start over again, after all it would be such a shame to jeopardize our 3 conference wins. ISU is really building something special in Ames.

 

[imnclone]

Looks like MG is our best 3pt shooter in conf at this point. And he can create his own shot.

mg 23-61 .377
sc 20-56 .357
dg 10-31 .323
cb 12-52 .231
cc 3-17 .200

 

[Wesley]

I agree. Big time.

Although the McD apologists will tell us how it takes a new coach about 7 or 8 years to really get his players and system in place. Just gotta be patient. Don't want to start over again, after all it would be such a shame to jeopardize our 3 conference wins. ISU is really building something special in Ames.

It may take us ten years until the contract runs out.

 

[Wesley]

Looks like MG is our best 3pt shooter in conf at this point. And he can create his own shot.

mg 23-61 .377
sc 20-56 .357
dg 10-31 .323
cb 12-52 .231
cc 3-17 .200

CB and CC should not be shooting threes.

 

[TxCycloneFan]

In other news, I smashed my first beer can on my head after DG missed the 3. I'm pretty sure I won't be doing that again, as I have a spliting headache right now.

Have another beer and count the days til Spring practice.

 

[Tornado man]

CB and CC should not be shooting threes.

I would LOVE to have Gmac say that clearly, maybe with his voice raised, to those two players. But Gmac is (1) grateful tha CB came back this year and feels indebted to him and (2) doesn't want CC to get angry, and maybe stalk out again, or worse, have CC's dad on his ***.
Gmac is neutered when it comes to telling players want he will/will not allow on the court. We all know it. The players know it.