*** Official Kansas St. Vs IOWA STATE Gameday Thread ***
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Well, pretty amazing what a veteran team can do. I don't think Bruce is as bad as he's made out to be, but that was the difference.
Saw two Freshman show they have All-Big XII in their future. Add that to the 2018 class and I really can't get worked up about an off night.
It had nothing to do with one of the role players going off for 34 points on 13-16 shooting. Dude couldn't miss, and that's Prohm's fault? Weber gets all the credit for teaching Wade to not miss?
Defensively, sure, I'll grant you they took D Jax out of the game. But there were guys open every time down the court for ISU that just didn't hit shots down the stretch. Not to mention abhorrent free throw shooting.
If you don’t think that mindset matters and that these guys aren’t playing off each other’s successes and failures I guess you had a different experience than I did at this level...
Umm, not sure who that was directed at, but I have never said anything was Coach Prohm's fault, and about all I said here is that Bruce isn't terrible and that the reason they won was their players, not their coach.
I admit I don't have experience in P5 football and basketball, you do?
Frankly that sounds like the worst thing I've read on this site, ever. In what universe do you envision this years football team under CMC fretting the night away after the basketball game?
Sorry I came across defensively, and I may not have meant to direct it at you in the first place. I just have a quick trigger when people start playing the blame Prohm game.
Young & Lard on several occasions lost Wade which allowed him to have wide open 3’s. That’s how he hit 6 for 8. This is likely new for Lard as he may not be used to guarding a big that can stay out at the line & hit 3’s.
Actually, Beverly has been better at guarding 3’s but Wade did a good job backing him down when he was guarding him. Perimeter defense is something Lard is still learning. Brase has more experience & more size than Beverly. Was 1 of the bigger games within the game tonight. Pick & roll or hand-offs using Wade & he went to work there based on who guarded him. Kind of Niang’ed us that way from FT line to top of key with Wade & we did not guard well at all.
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Yah. And if you look at it, our wrestling team was the only thing holding back the basketball team from winning titles the last couple years. They'd get all up for the games and then see what happened in the last dual meet and it's all over.
Brase would have helped last night with his experience and calmness. K-State played like they had been together through the Big XII season before and knew about what it takes to win. Will be interesting to see how they respond to the loss. Definitely need to improve on pick-and-roll and 3-pt defense. Obviously, FT% needs to improve, but 67% last night isn't that much below the season average of 72%, and only got out rebounded by 1.
As others have posted, the team had a dramatic turnaround after the Milwaukee loss. They also showed mental toughness in winning the tournament. Time for them to take the coaching to heart and atone for the performance vs. Texas.
That was a tough one to watch but a good reality check including for us the fans.
Concerns are that ISU didn't look very well prepared but part of that might be that they literally can't practice 5 v 5.
KSU was definitely the team ready for the 2nd half...this team has at least adjusted well.
NWB doesn't look right either...hoping there's nothing real bad going on with his leg.
Still looking forward to what they can come up with as the season plays out.
Concerns are that ISU didn't look very well prepared but part of that might be that they literally can't practice 5 v 5.
KSU was definitely the team ready for the 2nd half...this team has at least adjusted well.
NWB doesn't look right either...hoping there's nothing real bad going on with his leg.
Still looking forward to what they can come up with as the season plays out.
I was concerned that NWB rolled his ankle or something after getting fouled in the first half. I didn't really notice any issues with his movement though. Pretty sure he switched to guarding Stokes in the second half (21 pts in the first half, 2 in the second).
The good news is that the problems we're pretty much all fixable. We didn't get destroyed because of athleticism or talent. It was all schemes and defense. The team will improve as that improves. Maybe it's too late in the season for a dramatic switch, but improvements can be made as they learn from good competition.
Optimistically we looked a little under-prepared for KSU due to lacking bodies in practice for the last 10 days (but then it’s an issue largely facilitated by not having walkons and banking a scholarship).
Unfortunately the lack of 5 on 5 prep is a minor contributor, imo. I think it was more of our season long (if not longer) weaknesses being magnified by an increase in the quality of competition.
We’re playing like we can still just out-offense teams. But the way we play on offense (tough shots) makes us susceptible to being streaky. Given the physical abilities of this roster, it’s disappointing that the defense has taken a step back.
Thought the last few years we have been susceptible to 3 point shooting defense...this team says hold my beer!
