Official "post"-Game Thread - Iowa @ ISU
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We played terrible, weather coaching or not, I was amazed at how much this reminded me of a Mac game. We didn't do **** but give the game to the other team. Not to blast the hawkeyes, they beat us by not making the mistakes we did. Wow, we are bad. You thought we were the laughing stock of the country before this, wait til Iowa loses their next game. We suck. Thank god We've won one already, beacuase we don't win another, imo.
I'm very disappointed in some "fans", calling for a coach, a quarterback, and even stooping to calling out the A.D. by week 2. you gotta be ******** me. how will you make it through the whole season without jumpin off a cliff?
It was a bad ga me... we'll survive, our seasons more then the iowa game. Crazy thing is there is more then one week to the season. Lets get behind the team and university and cheer. Come on CLones. Out for the night
It was a bad ga me... we'll survive, our seasons more then the iowa game. Crazy thing is there is more then one week to the season. Lets get behind the team and university and cheer. Come on CLones. Out for the night
Hiring Rhoads was a gamble - pure and simple. He had been let go by Auburn, and was on the way to interview as a position coach at Clemson when Jamie contacted him. Not exactly someone in demand. He had defenses at Pitt that were good, and some that were mediocre.
I supported the hiring, and still do - but it is a gamble.
Jamie was the guy responsible for getting that kind of commitment. When an AD makes a hire, the coach has to be committed to the AD and the AD has to be committed to the coach. Either Jamie is a terrible judge of character or he has been crapped on by two of his biggest hires. Regardless, the buck stops on Jamie's desk. Our AD needs to step up to the plate and offer some recognition of the fact that he has made decisions which have taken the football program in the wrong direction. It is tough to sell hope if the buyers are reaching the point of not trusting the seller. Jamie is not the victim here, the Cyclone faithful are the victims of Pollard's miscalculations
As many people on the outside say, the football HC job at ISU is one of the toughest in the nation. I don't care if you bring in the best HC currently in the nation...he too would struggle and need time to adjust. And I would bet good money more often than not, the best coaches would not end up winning more than losing.
I worked at ISU for 5+ years and personally knew the last two staffs well...all the people inside the FB program worked hard and tried their very best to produce a winner. We are some of the most loyal fans in the nation and I understand it's frustrating to see us taking one step forward and then two steps back.
There are people going overboard, yes.
But I've said this countless times, I'd much rather have a fanbase that is upset after a loss like this instead of one that has an "oh well" attitude. Once the latter happens, this program is dead (not that there is much life in it currently).
I don't mind people being upset. Being upset is no excuse for being irrational (a polite word for "stupid"), however.
Oh I fully agree. We've still got irrational fans painting a pretty little picture after this thing along side the ones calling for firings.
What kind of world do YOU live in? In the one the rest of us live in, contracts in the sporting world (coaches or pro athletes) aren't binding.
The only thing an AD/GM can do is to insert an insurmountable buyout clause. That was hardly possible in this case.
The whole reason Chizik's buyouts weren't bigger, big enough to perhaps prevent him leaving, was because we had just paid through the nose to buy out not one, not two, but three big money contracts...
Wake up and have a sniff of reality...:sad:
Bonehead? If that call had worked, people would have been calling it an awesome move.
"What kind of world do YOU live in? In the one the rest of us live in, contracts in the sporting world (coaches or pro athletes) aren't binding.
The only thing an AD/GM can do is to insert an insurmountable buyout clause. That was hardly possible in this case.
The whole reason Chizik's buyouts weren't bigger, big enough to perhaps prevent him leaving, was because we had just paid through the nose to buy out not one, not two, but three big money contracts...
Wake up and have a sniff of reality"
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I live in a world of taking responsibility for your decisions. If you are correct, and the $$ was not available for a larger buyout; then who was the person responsible for the other contract payouts?? You look at this debacle as a series of unfortunate events which just happened to result in the ISU football program nosediving in the last couple of years. I tend to think J.P. should be frank with the fans and accept some responsibility for setting the football program back 4-5 years. You blame Chizik, I blame Pollard. We both want the same thing, a winning football program which goes to some bowl games once in awhile. Someone just got a little greedy and it hasn't panned out...
The only thing an AD/GM can do is to insert an insurmountable buyout clause. That was hardly possible in this case.
The whole reason Chizik's buyouts weren't bigger, big enough to perhaps prevent him leaving, was because we had just paid through the nose to buy out not one, not two, but three big money contracts...
Wake up and have a sniff of reality"
Aclone
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I live in a world of taking responsibility for your decisions. If you are correct, and the $$ was not available for a larger buyout; then who was the person responsible for the other contract payouts?? You look at this debacle as a series of unfortunate events which just happened to result in the ISU football program nosediving in the last couple of years. I tend to think J.P. should be frank with the fans and accept some responsibility for setting the football program back 4-5 years. You blame Chizik, I blame Pollard. We both want the same thing, a winning football program which goes to some bowl games once in awhile. Someone just got a little greedy and it hasn't panned out...
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I'm not blaming this game on anything but growing pains. Lots of turnovers, lots of penalties equal not winning. Fixable things though. I thought the defense played well. They gave up points on the short field and when they kept getting run out there after no rest repeatedly. The offense will come around. Might be a while yet but it will. I'll be happy with the defense if it plays this well or better the rest of the season.
AA needs to quit staring radar holes at receiver one. He needs to spread the ball around more. Our best receiver was Sims.
Then he needs to quit giving the advantage to the defenders by looking at one receiver and add touch to some of his passes.
Lots of mistakes by ISU. Iowa played well but turnovers, horrible throws by AA, and bad penalties on the part of the Cyclones are really what turned this into a blowout. Give them another year to learn the new offense and let Rhoads start recruiting for his system and I think ISU will get things going.
What in blazes are you talking about? The buyout is paid by the party that breaks the contract. When Chizik quit before his contract was up, he (or his new employer) paid the buyout to ISU, not the other way around. What do you think happened when Gene told Jamie that he was quitting, Jamie said "Sorry to hear that, here, take a million dollars as a parting gift"?
This is 100% correct. But I'm not so sure it was greed, as much as ego. When Pollard arrived he couldn't wait to fire most or all of our coaching staffs so he could hire new ones and then take credit for all their success. Heck, he fired our football coach when he was one year removed from a bowl game (after not supporting him and orchestrating apathy in the fan base to help his cause), and he fired our basketball coach who was one year removed from an NCAA tournament (I have often wondered if Pollard wasn't the one who planted the "D1 scheduling story", to give him some cause, no matter how flimsy, to fire Morgan). We all know for a fact that if Chizik had won 9 games and gone to a major bowl, or if McDermott had won 20 games and had a deep NCAA tournament run, that JP would have been front and center taking credit for delivering "the next big step" to ISU. So it's only fitting that he step up and take responsibility for making both programs significantly worse than when he arrived. Just because he won't do it, doesn't mean fans should give him a pass on being responsible.
There really want much to get excited for after the NDSU game. Now this team has to learn, grow, and figure out how to fix the mistakes from the Iowa game. The D really did an ok job given what they had to deal with. The run game was good, the pass game was ok when not getting picked off, and the blocking was good. Iowa played their gameplan perfect and we didnt and we didnt adjust.
We started to adjust in the 3rd by not throwing the ball, but then of course we make the idiotic decision to start throwing on the ball on third and short yardage, and even more interecptions ensued.
And for many of those interceptions, I don't give much credit to Iowa. I could've intercepted most of those passes for heaven's sake. Absolutely terrible.
And for many of those interceptions, I don't give much credit to Iowa. I could've intercepted most of those passes for heaven's sake. Absolutely terrible.
Yeah your right Monty...If the clones were winning, good old Pollard would be out front telling everyone just how great he is and how he's the second coming of god!!
You will Never ever hear that ego driven pollard ever take any responsibility for putting the football program back five years...Good Old jamie pollard will just blame the coaches who HE HIRED!!!!
