So let's say we don't make the NCAA's. Would the fact we're hosting the NCAA's preclude us from hosting NIT games?
***Official WBB Iowa State vs. Kansas State Gameday Thread***
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Agree. The difference in this game was post play. Pop was in foul trouble and missed a couple key layups, Anna struggled, and Childs could not miss. Loz, Moody and Chaz played their butts off.
Chelsea has not been "right" the last 3 games, ever since she got that black eye. That concerns me. Honestly, she just seems a little out of it or something.
Someone posted a couple of weeks ago in one of the MBB threads that the selection committees are no longer supposed to consider how teams finish, because that can create bias against teams who have tough end-of-year schedules.
In any case, ISU hasn't exactly finished strong. They've lost 3 out of the last 4, including a stinky loss to OSU, a blowout loss to BU, and then losing today to a team they blew out last week.
I still think ISU is in, although the seed might not be so favorable.
Actually, women's tourney is slightly different. They do look at all factors, including injuries, and finishing strong is better than starting strong and fizzling.
I don't mind a 10 seed. Tired of the 8/9 seed. I just don't want to see Green Bay or Rutgers in the first round. How about someone we don't have a history with....
We started the year slow...had a strong middle....and fizzled at the end.
Have to wonder if we will ever reach the heights again of early part of decade.
Have to wonder if we will ever reach the heights again of early part of decade.
Really?? A loss to Baylor after leading them 25 minutes into the game, and losing to a red-hot KSU is hardly fizzle. This was the best collective performance by our guards we had, and foul trouble in the post on Pop then Anna was the game changer.
We probably have the best all-around frontcourt returning sans Baylor, and did you see Moody play today?
We also have an awesome recruiting class of guards coming in. Probably one of the best ever, especially if Vanloo joins.
After this season, and what BF was able to do given the obstacles, I have no doubts in this coaching staff's ability to deliver.
I go to many of the home games.
I could point to many negatives as well. The loss to Ok State which should not have happened. The slow start involving some losses that should not have happened. The loss of Schroll that still have some scratching heads.
I love Bill and hope we become a better team next year...but there is nothing wrong with bringing up questions.
Get off your high horse.
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High horse, I would just say optimistic. There are always things that could be better. Finishing 4th in this league this year with what we had on the court, Schroll included, is an accomplishment.
The past is the past. The conference has changed a lot over the past decade, and ISU has stayed in the running, both sticking with a successful system and changing personnel to keep pace. Was it 2007 that ISU played in the Big 12 finals against OU, almost winning it? This year, ISU finished behind only the class of the Big 12 that has been to final fours. Of course, behind Baylor (former nat'l champ), and just a couple games back of A&M (defending nat'l champ) and OU (multiple final fours). You might say, well, why are these teams getting to the final four and ISU is not, well, we all want that. But the heights of the past have gotten higher. To win the Big 12 championship in the past few years means that you are potentially a final four team. It is no small achievement to finish near the top with these teams.
I was at the game, and I'm not seeing what some people are seeing. I don't mean to be totally negative, but I'm tired of this. This is not on you twistedredbird, but the situation. We as fans have a tendency to be too rosy and not honest enough. They played poorly at the end of the year last year, and it carried into the NCAA tourney.
Pop played stupid. You could see her first foul coming before she ever did it. There was no reason for it. She has to know what she means to the team, and what going to the bench that early does. She can't make a put-back right now, either.
Prins had to play by default because of Pop's foul trouble. She's just a stick, no power and no strength and was getting moved out of the block by guards. She has no quickness and is a liability on defense.
Hallie didn't show up. She should worry more about her shooting and not making her uniform look silly. She doesn't use the glass enough on her close shots, either.
Brynn doesn't play defense, she can only shoot the 3, and when she can't hit a shot is a liability.
Moody can only drive, can't hit from the outside with regularity. At least she can play some defense. She lacks focus, and doesn't look at the shot clock. Just like throwing the ball away on the set play to Pop at the end of the game. It doesn't faze her.
Cole can only play defense, so she's a liability on the other end.
Loz took the game on her shoulders in a lot of ways. I'll give her credit, she didn't have shots fall, but she wasn't afraid to shoot because she had to (shot clock) so many times.
K-State doesn't impress me much. Coaching or players. Losing to them is very unimpressive. Did the ref's let it get physical? You bet. But you figure it out and adjust. They were overplaying passing lanes so much it made me sick. We never tried to back-cut. Our girls are so structured in the offensive sets, they have a hard time creating with the ball, and moving without it. Our guards never got the ball on the entry pass to the posts when they first flashed open. K-State knew our offense, they took it away. In the second half when Moody patted the top of her head, the KSU players did the same "head pat" thing and set up in those lanes of play. It didn't seem like we adjusted very well.
Our athleticism against some teams that haven't seen us will only take us so far. It won't make us an elite team. A team that's top 5. To me this team is very narrow, and limited. If you look at our players' attributes above, it would seem easy to plan for and coach against. There are too many pieces that are one-dimensional. I don't think our front court is so amazing, outside of Pop. He better get some recruiting done in that area, if the girls we have on the bench aren't playing.
They are sitting on the bubble right now #52 in the RPI, and you call it bad? The only team BU didn't blow out during the regular season at home was TTU, look what they did to them today.
Can't really argue with much of that, unfortunately. I am just hoping we aren't a one and done in the NCAA and can at least play two for the home crowd, thna we can worry about next year. It does seem like the league is stepping up and we are stepping back (baby steps, but still falling back).
Bottom line, I care too much, and it's not been long enough after another frustrating loss.
There are times when we play 2 seniors, 2 juniors and a soph. I don't get it, then. We have one regular/starter that is a freshman, and a freshman sub.
I won't argue much with your assessment. Finishing 4th in this league, with a returning national champion, and the favorite to win it this year, and OU a perennial power....isn't shabby.
Texas, full of 4 star talent, TTech a program with tradition and lots of talent and athleticism, and KU with lots of talent and athleticism, and all three have amazing coaches, would all like to be 4th in this league right now.
I am very upset too. I am just trying to be optimistic.
I wish this team was more tough. Mentally tough, physically tough, all around tough. That was the trademark for some of those early teams that won the conference tourney and paved the way for our success in recruiting. We can all remember girls that were passed over by big schools that went to ISU and played big roles in our programs' success. They were tough and scrappy. That's that intangible thing, can it be coached?
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