NFL: Offseason Thread

[jbindm]

If Allen goes to a crappy team with no supporting cast he is that much more likely to flame out as well. And in order to pick in the top 5 you usually have to be a pretty bad team. Not sure if the Broncos could bounce back with a real QB, but Allen might not even be the best bet there.

I think that's true for all the QBs this year. I don't see any of them as ready to start right away unless you have a coach who's flexible and willing to scrap his system to accomodate them, kind of like what Bill O'Brien did for Deshaun Watson last year.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I don't know. RB is a tough value to gauge. If he's a true do-it-all three down back and a legit thread to lead the league in yards from scrimmage every year then he's probably worth it. But generally teams at the top of the draft have multiple holes to fill and when you compare the talent pool of QBs and pass rushers and offensive tackles against running backs you almost have to approach RB as a luxury position. Like the Colts. I'm hearing they absolutely love Barkley. But they can get another productive back in the second or third round. Bradley Chubb is the consensus best edge rusher in the draft and it's a desperate need for them. If they pass on him at #3 for a RB there won't be another productive edge rusher further down the board.

Yep. If a team has a crappy OLine, then they will end up wasting top RB talent as well.

 

[cycopath25]

He reminds me of Christian Hackenberg. Looks the part, has the measurables, big time arm and I don't question his work ethic, but he's just inaccurate. It's a QB desperate league so I would understand a team taking a chance on him as a developmental guy in the third round. But a top ten pick? That's crazy.

Being an Iowa transplant in Wyoming I have seen several of his full games and not just tape. I do often times have to temper koolaid drinking Pokes fans on his talents. Last year was much better for him as he had much better weapons around him. I wouldn't compare him to Hackenberg. I would compare his mindset more to Favre as he slings it with no regard for human life, but often times forces the issue where he shouldn't. People here in the 307 are gaga over him. Going to the Browns would probably give him a terrible chance to succeed. I think he would do great in in Giants uniform where he would have about 2 more years before he takes over.

 

[3GenClone]

Right now the Browns just need to get more than 2 wins next season to trend in the right direction - I think they can get that with a free agent signing like Bradford, Keenum, or even AJ McCarron. Draft Barkley and get him into the system with a QB that can actually read an NFL defense. Signing a guy like McCarron would make those Bengals matchups a little more interesting too.

 

[cmjh10]

Brown's actually have a decent OLine so Barkely to them would make sense.

 

[jbindm]

Right now the Browns just need to get more than 2 wins next season to trend in the right direction - I think they can get that with a free agent signing like Bradford, Keenum, or even AJ McCarron. Draft Barkley and get him into the system with a QB that can actually read an NFL defense. Signing a guy like McCarron would make those Bengals matchups a little more interesting too.

Agreed. Sign a bridge QB to a two year deal this offseason, take the best player available approach in the draft this year and try to stockpile a few more picks, and draft another development QB. I love Lamar Jackson in the second round, which means that someone is probably going to panic and take him in the top ten.

 

[BigJCy]

Michael Bennett traded to the Eagles. Also it appears Richard Sherman is about to be done in Seattle as well:

 

[3GenClone]

Michael Bennett traded to the Eagles. Also it appears Richard Sherman is about to be done in Seattle as well:

This is older news, but Jimmy Graham is a Free Agent and rumored to be returning to the Saints. He had 10 TDs last year which was 29% of the Seahawks passing TDs.

 

[jbindm]

This is older news, but Jimmy Graham is a Free Agent and rumored to be returning to the Saints. He had 10 TDs last year which was 29% of the Seahawks passing TDs.

Graham is strictly a red zone threat now but he's obviously still got something left in the tank in that role. It'd be cool to see him return to New Orleans to wrap up his career. He was an absolute terror in his prime.

 

[3GenClone]

Graham is strictly a red zone threat now but he's obviously still got something left in the tank in that role. It'd be cool to see him return to New Orleans to wrap up his career. He was an absolute terror in his prime.

It would be a great move for Graham to head back to New Orleans and capitalize on last years turnaround. I think it was ESPNs latest mock draft that had the Saints drafting Lamar Jackson in the first round as the QB in waiting for when Brees retires. Re-signing Brees, signing Graham, and drafting Jackson would be a pretty decent offseason.

 

[cyhiphopp]

It would be a great move for Graham to head back to New Orleans and capitalize on last years turnaround. I think it was ESPNs latest mock draft that had the Saints drafting Lamar Jackson in the first round as the QB in waiting for when Brees retires. Re-signing Brees, signing Graham, and drafting Jackson would be a pretty decent offseason.

What a great mentor for Jackson. Learn from the preeminent "system" QB turned NFL star.

 

[VeloClone]

Does everyone who is talking about the Browns waiting and stockpiling picks realize that they have 10 picks in the first 5 rounds? That includes #1 and #4 in the first, #1 and #3 in the second and essentially two #1s in the third. The time for stockpiling picks is over - it is time to get difference makers.

 

[jbindm]

Does everyone who is talking about the Browns waiting and stockpiling picks realize that they have 10 picks in the first 5 rounds? That includes #1 and #4 in the first, #1 and #3 in the second and essentially two #1s in the third. The time for stockpiling picks is over - it is time to get difference makers.

They can, but that doesn't mean they have to do it with the first overall pick. If they can sell that pick to a team that loves one of the available QBs and still have a shot to land a guy like Barkley, Chubb, Nelson or Fitzpatrick then they should jump on it. Generally if a team has a chance to move back and collect future picks they should take it. There are exceptions, of course. Sometimes need and available player fit perfectly. Just my opinion, but this year it doesn't for them at #1.

 

[VeloClone]

They can, but that doesn't mean they have to do it with the first overall pick. If they can sell that pick to a team that loves one of the available QBs and still have a shot to land a guy like Barkley, Chubb, Nelson or Fitzpatrick then they should jump on it. Generally if a team has a chance to move back and collect future picks they should take it. There are exceptions, of course. Sometimes need and available player fit perfectly. Just my opinion, but this year it doesn't for them at #1.

Agreed, but if they can manage to get their answer at RB and a defensive game changer and their QB of the future in those first 3 or 4 picks, they should. If they feel they can accomplish that by trading down to 10th or so, and get another second round pick or the like, sure.

I just think this is their time, they need to seize it.

 

[jbindm]

Agreed, but if they can manage to get their answer at RB and a defensive game changer and their QB of the future in those first 3 or 4 picks, they should. If they feel they can accomplish that by trading down to 10th or so, and get another second round pick or the like, sure.

I just think this is their time, they need to seize it.

Sure. If nobody blows them away with an offer at 1 or 4 then they should stay put and take the best player available. If they walked away with Barkley and Chubb or Fitzpatrick and a bridge QB through free agency (AJ McCarron is all but a lock for Cleveland if Hue Jackson gets his way) then I'd consider that a successful offseason for them.

But I'm not sure their time is now. They're coming off an 0-16 season with a coach on the hot seat. It's not like John Dorsey is under pressure to make the playoffs this year, so if he gets an enticing offer to move down and stockpile more picks, that's a viable route.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Cleveland passed on Deshaun Watson and likely regret that now. They have traded a lot the past few years, which is why they have so many picks this year.

They are getting to the point where they need to **** or get off the pot. There are 3 viable first round QBs this year with Darnold, Allen, and Rosen. If they don't like any of them then they are going to have a hard time finding a QB in any draft unless another Andrew Luck comes along. We haven't had many real no doubt superstar QBs since Luck. Maybe Winston, but he had character questions.

 

[jbindm]

Cleveland passed on Deshaun Watson and likely regret that now. They have traded a lot the past few years, which is why they have so many picks this year.

They are getting to the point where they need to **** or get off the pot. There are 3 viable first round QBs this year with Darnold, Allen, and Rosen. If they don't like any of them then they are going to have a hard time finding a QB in any draft unless another Andrew Luck comes along. We haven't had many real no doubt superstar QBs since Luck. Maybe Winston, but he had character questions.

And they passed on Wentz the year before. If they love one of the QBs this year then they should take him. I wouldn't have a problem with that. Keep swinging until you get it right and all that. But from what I'm reading and seeing so far there is nothing close to a consensus out there about who the top QB is or even what order you would put the top prospects. If they're not totally sold on any of the available prospects then there's better overall talent out there at other positions, and if there's a team that does love one of the quarterbacks and is willing to move up and get him then the Browns should take advantage. Let's be realistic; it's not like they're one player away from contending. Every option should be on the table right now, and if they aren't completely convinced that their franchise QB is on the board then they shouldn't reach.

 

[3GenClone]

Cleveland passed on Deshaun Watson and likely regret that now. They have traded a lot the past few years, which is why they have so many picks this year.

They are getting to the point where they need to **** or get off the pot. There are 3 viable first round QBs this year with Darnold, Allen, and Rosen. If they don't like any of them then they are going to have a hard time finding a QB in any draft unless another Andrew Luck comes along. We haven't had many real no doubt superstar QBs since Luck. Maybe Winston, but he had character questions.

If they want to win now, then they should have moved on from Hue Jackson this past off season. They are staying the course on this rebuild for next season. If you want to make Cleveland a destination, then there is one move they should make: trade some of their picks to NE to bring Belichick back. Sounds like the band in NE is going to break up sooner rather than later. With this move, everyone's a winner: the Browns land a Hall of Fame coach to take the franchise to the next level, Belichick gets a fat payday, Brady can retire OR prove that he can win a championship without Belichick, and Robert Craft has some value to rebuild his roster with Josh McDaniels (Belichick 2.0).

 

[cyhiphopp]

And they passed on Wentz the year before. If they love one of the QBs this year then they should take him. I wouldn't have a problem with that. Keep swinging until you get it right and all that. But from what I'm reading and seeing so far there is nothing close to a consensus out there about who the top QB is or even what order you would put the top prospects. If they're not totally sold on any of the available prospects then there's better overall talent out there at other positions, and if there's a team that does love one of the quarterbacks and is willing to move up and get him then the Browns should take advantage. Let's be realistic; it's not like they're one player away from contending. Every option should be on the table right now, and if they aren't completely convinced that their franchise QB is on the board then they houldn't reach.

Very true. I'm ok with Cleveland continuing their Festival of Suck as long as they like.

It would be smart of them to shore up more of the rest of the team before going all in with a QB. That is if they aren't in love with any of the QBs this year. They spent a pick on Deshone Kizer hoping he would blossom into a serviceable QB, so we'll see what they do this year.

They could easily move down and parlay this years top picks into multiple top picks next year and keep paying it forward so they always have multiple first round picks, if they want.

Their track record for first round picks is not very good though. We'll see if the new GM helps that at all.

 

[jbindm]

Very true. I'm ok with Cleveland continuing their Festival of Suck as long as they like.

It would be smart of them to shore up more of the rest of the team before going all in with a QB. That is if they aren't in love with any of the QBs this year. They spent a pick on Deshone Kizer hoping he would blossom into a serviceable QB, so we'll see what they do this year.

They could easily move down and parlay this years top picks into multiple top picks next year and keep paying it forward so they always have multiple first round picks, if they want.

Their track record for first round picks is not very good though. We'll see if the new GM helps that at all.

I think he will, but some Chiefs fans might disagree. His draft record with KC is pretty solid. The main question is how much pull he has in the Browns organization. They fired Sashi Brown but there are still a couple holdovers from the bunch that brought you 0-16. And then there's Hue Jackson, who never saw eye to eye with the last regime and isn't Dorsey's hire. That's a lot of agendas in one room come draft day.