What if that something is a mistake? Is it rational to keep doing something when you know it's a mistake? Or is there no such thing as a mistake in this black-and-white view of the world?
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What if that something is a mistake? Is it rational to keep doing something when you know it's a mistake? Or is there no such thing as a mistake in this black-and-white view of the world?
Or some people quit when their mettle is truly tested. Yes, it would be common to look for others to blame, or give up when that easy out is no longer. It could be what you are saying, but it fits the behavior of just not having the desire to got through the **** you have to go through to get better.
I'll bet he thought he was tested going through a losing season last year, then reality hit. Turns out it was not Klenakis, but him. Oh gentle Billy Bleil, where have you gone?
CPR is to be blamed for not starting this process five years ago and for not prioritizing certain attributes in recruiting.
Thread: Lucca Staiger Quits MBB Team
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I'm with you, but I think it's people in general that aren't know for their toughness.
He's barely even a former Cyclone at this point. Just a selfish punk that quit on his team.
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I'm with you, but I think it's people in general that aren't know for their toughness.
He's barely even a former Cyclone at this point. Just a selfish punk that quit on his team.
Thread: Lucca Staiger Quits MBB Team
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I'm with you, but I think it's people in general that aren't know for their toughness.
He's barely even a former Cyclone at this point. Just a selfish punk that quit on his team.
Oh snap.
Thread: Lucca Staiger Quits MBB Team
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I'm with you, but I think it's people in general that aren't know for their toughness.
He's barely even a former Cyclone at this point. Just a selfish punk that quit on his team.
What's most interesting is that this only garnered 294 replies, ever, and this discussion's already generated over 600.
READ FOR COMPREHENSION. I don't believe maintaining that policy is irrational in and of itself. Frankly, I think there's too much "quit" in people nowadays. However, I have also repeatedly said there may be exceptions. therefore, your last sentence is over-reach, and does not represent what I have said.
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So what the **** are you saying, exactly? That "if you start something, you must finish it" is not irrational, but there are exceptions? So that...sometimes it is irrational?
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McD did a good job of instilling immediate and increasing apathy. Damn that CPR, such a tease.
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Thread: Lucca Staiger Quits MBB Team
by CycloneErik
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I'm with you, but I think it's people in general that aren't know for their toughness.
He's barely even a former Cyclone at this point. Just a selfish punk that quit on his team.
Well done! I forgot that ever happened.
I don't think I could call that post of mine a classy one.
YOU added the word "must". YOU are also the one trying to make it black & white with no shades of grey. Don't put words in my mouth...
Honoring your commitments and finishing what you start are not irrational policies. They are honorable traits to have, and I believe that people should strive to maintain them for their own good and the good of others around them. However, life can get in the way of that on occasion. Sometimes you can't maintain...sometimes things beyond your control can prevent you from honoring commitments.
If that's the case here, then I feel badly for the young man. All we have right now is rumor and innuendo regarding his reasons, with some indication that he was building up to this point. He did what he had to do...for him. But in the absence of an outside emergency the timing of his exit hurt his teammates, and I think that was wrong.
I would say no in a heartbeat. I don't think those MBB things would really help that much. ISU may be better in noncon, but who really cares.
Here's what you said, verbatim...
...not "if you start something, you should finish it", or "if you start something, it's generally preferable to finish it", or "if you start something, finish it* (*unless there are extenuating circumstances)".
You were dealing in absolutes and have been backpedaling since. What's the point of even mentioning your little edict about finishing what you start if there are such obvious exceptions to it? The very fact that you mentioned it at all can only mean that Gannon's crossed some boundary that you maintain between right and wrong ("it's okay to quit under the right circumstances, but quitting is still quitting and that's generally bad rabble rabble rabble"). Why even bring it up???
Honoring one's commitments and finishing what one starts, as a general rule to abide by, might be a fine and honorable quality, but it's by no means a rational way to behave. There's no two ways about it. Sticking it out to the end isn't always rainbows and unicorns, either...it can also be known as stubbornness, inflexibility, obstinance, and so on.
Selective editing to make your point can bite you in the butt sometimes. I qualified my opinion from the very first post. The full post:
"I agree with this...to a certain extent. However, I still believe in the "if you start something, finish it" work ethic. For whatever reason, this young man isn't quitting on the fans, or his boss (the coaches). He's quitting on his teammates. He spent all spring and summer training with these guys, and with the new coaches. The time to quit would have been earlier, before the line was drilled based on the expectation that he would be in that position.
He's not injured, so (to me) the only thing that would make it okay for him to dump on his teammates like that would be a family emergency. I understand that having someone that doesn't want to be there can be dangerous. I'm just saying that (barring extenuating circumstances) he should have made this decision earlier. "
If you feel that honoring commitments and finishing what you start are not rational ways to behave, you are part of the problem. How far does that get you in your job(s)? Your friendships? Your family relationships?
Strangers on a website can't really know his full motivations. But one can guess that if the team was winning and had a productive season ahead of it he'd be less likely to quit.
You just have to hope that the guys who are left use this as a rallying cry and pull through this together instead of being demoralized and wishing they had quit as well.
You just have to hope that the guys who are left use this as a rallying cry and pull through this together instead of being demoralized and wishing they had quit as well.
I'm not sure you understand what "rational" means. It's not the same thing as good, or moral, or right. It means that decisions and actions are guided by reason, facts, and logic...not emotion or value judgments. I don't want to live in a world where everyone exclusively behaves rationally and entirely without emotion, but you simply can't state that "if you start something, finish it" is rational. If it were, it would read more like "finish something if it's worthwhile to do so".
As far as how it's worked out for me? I've quit things both when I should and shouldn't have, and stuck with things under the same circumstances. Some decisions were emotional reactions, and some were made rationally. Some turned out to be good moves, others mistakes. Overall, rationality has served me far better than the alternative...and even when I've turned out to be wrong, I'm infinitely more content with decisions I make that are based on clear, logical thinking rather than doggedly adhering to some belief that quitting is inherently wrong. If that's "part of the problem" to you, so be it.
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If you believe it's rational to drop your commitments because of adversity, knowing that you will build a reputation of being untrustworthy, then I don't know what to tell you. I personally don't think that's anywhere close to rational.
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