He interviewed at Michigan State and TCU, that was pretty common knowledge at the time.
One Job Rhoads is interested in
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He interviewed at Michigan State and TCU, that was pretty common knowledge at the time.
As long as Cyclone fans and the ISU community do not want to lose CPR, he will remain at ISU. If we provide CPR with what he needs, he is not going anywhere. Unfortunately, our history would indicate CPR may need to use fear to leverage $ome fan$ in to being "all-in".
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The statement in bold is exactly why if the right opportunity arises he will leave. He knows that one or 2 bad years due to a poor recruiting class or injuries or a bad hire at a coordinator spot and ISU fans would turn on him, especially if we pay him more money and upgrade our facilities. The same fans saying he is loyal and will never leave could be calling for his head if we have a couple 3-4 win seasons in a row, he knows that. ISU is not a premier job so if one becomes available to him he would be a fool not to take it.
Not all coaches leave after success (Gary Patterson for example), and I think you have to admit there is something different about Rhoads and his fit at Iowa State. No one can say what he will do, so don't make assumptions either way.
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You dont think every fanbase does that? His success so far has given him a long leash.
Your lack of comprehension and perspective is alarming. You should leave the state of Iowa more.
Let me repost:
If ISU fans provide JP with the money needed to keep Rhoads happy (contractually and facilities), Rhoads will be at ISU for a very long time, as ISU already provides him the quality of life that comes with having a fanbase/community that is not a presure cooker (will not turn on him after 1-2 bad years). Hell, DMac got 12 years to get the program to the next level.
Or maybe CPR can look and see other coaches who have had good success at and school and left for what they thought was a greener pasture only to be run out of town wishing they had never left (see Rch Rodregiz, Dan Hawkins, etc).
Maybe CPR wants to be a coach like (Frank Bemer, Bobby Bowden, etc) who built up programs and stuck with them because they knew what they had going at their current school.
Not every coach is looking to jump to what they percieve a better job (i.e. Urban Meyer) and from my dealings with Rhoads as a player and now as our head coach I truely believe he isn't looking for a resume' booster and wants to build something at ISU.
That statement always bothers me. A lot of coaches leave for higher profile jobs and live to regret it. There is a lot of risk in a coaching change, and high profile jobs are not known for being patient. It is definitely not foolish to turn down an opportunity if you are happy with where you are.
Majors and Bruce have both told CPR what a golden job ISU can be. As long as he gets what he NEEDS .... we are fine. He even understands 'needs' vs 'wants'
You say after 1 or 2 bad years ISU fans won't turn on him and you say I need to get out more? How long after DMac won a bowl game did we fire him? How long after ISU tied for the Big 12 North title was ISU looking for a new coach? Steve Lony Left and DMac had trouble replacing him(Promote Brickey, hire Cotton(a good hire on paper) GONE! Fans are fickle everywhere including at ISU. I am very confident in my comprehension and perspective.
Several posts that inspire specific comment, but I'll go general to encompass multiple points.
1. There is no obvious "danger" of Rhoads getting snatched up (i.e., bolting) in the immediate future (which I'd define as at least 2 more seasons). So there is no immediate need to give him a hefty raise to keep him at ISU.
1. The loyalty trait is never a guarantee, but it's part of the package. Iowa State is where he wants to build his coaching career — he wants to be that guy. Any future opportunities involve the weight of that. It was the risk-reward aspect of hiring him: He might not be able to win at ISU any more than previous coaches, but if he does, there's a good chance he'll stay for the long haul.
2. Rhoads will not be in a position to pursue another job (and probably won't begin to draw serious consideration elsewhere) until/unless this building process that's gaining momentum brings ISU up to a noteworthy level. That probably involves BCS bowl appearances, 10-win seasons, challenging for the conference title — or at least sustained success at an atypical plateau for Iowa State (8-win seasons for several years) — and few "off" years (5-7 or worse). '
3. If (2) does happen, he may draw interest from 3 directions.
(a) schools with similar history in regards to football success — BCS league teams that have had sporadic, fairly unimpressive success and periods of losing. Maybe those that in shadows of other programs because of recruitment or legacies. It's the "if he can do it at Iowa State, he can do it here" attitude. Possible outlets: Minnesota, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Duke and Kansas. Other than Minnesota, I'm not sure he'd view any of those as a better situation, unless the salary was so huge that he couldn't refuse.
(b) schools with major histories that want a reliable winner, where he could elevate his potential to succeed on a grander scale. It would probably need to be a school that has won national titles in the past, but may have gotten mired in recent funk OR had a solid coach retire/get fired. Current examples: USC, Ohio State (although that's off the table w/ Urban Meyer) and Penn State.
(c) Schools where Rhoads once coached are in need of HC, like Pitt or Auburn.
1. There is no obvious "danger" of Rhoads getting snatched up (i.e., bolting) in the immediate future (which I'd define as at least 2 more seasons). So there is no immediate need to give him a hefty raise to keep him at ISU.
1. The loyalty trait is never a guarantee, but it's part of the package. Iowa State is where he wants to build his coaching career — he wants to be that guy. Any future opportunities involve the weight of that. It was the risk-reward aspect of hiring him: He might not be able to win at ISU any more than previous coaches, but if he does, there's a good chance he'll stay for the long haul.
2. Rhoads will not be in a position to pursue another job (and probably won't begin to draw serious consideration elsewhere) until/unless this building process that's gaining momentum brings ISU up to a noteworthy level. That probably involves BCS bowl appearances, 10-win seasons, challenging for the conference title — or at least sustained success at an atypical plateau for Iowa State (8-win seasons for several years) — and few "off" years (5-7 or worse). '
3. If (2) does happen, he may draw interest from 3 directions.
(a) schools with similar history in regards to football success — BCS league teams that have had sporadic, fairly unimpressive success and periods of losing. Maybe those that in shadows of other programs because of recruitment or legacies. It's the "if he can do it at Iowa State, he can do it here" attitude. Possible outlets: Minnesota, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Duke and Kansas. Other than Minnesota, I'm not sure he'd view any of those as a better situation, unless the salary was so huge that he couldn't refuse.
(b) schools with major histories that want a reliable winner, where he could elevate his potential to succeed on a grander scale. It would probably need to be a school that has won national titles in the past, but may have gotten mired in recent funk OR had a solid coach retire/get fired. Current examples: USC, Ohio State (although that's off the table w/ Urban Meyer) and Penn State.
(c) Schools where Rhoads once coached are in need of HC, like Pitt or Auburn.
Bingo. It is obvious that CPR understands what it takes to build a program. Finding a good coach and staff and retaining them is only 1 piece of the puzzle. If you sink too much money into 1 piece of the puzzle and not the others then there is no way for you to ever complete the puzzle.
It wasnt 1 or 2. It was
The collapse of 02.
The complete failure of 03.
04\05 ****** away.
Another complete failure in 06 where we damn near lost every game.
I've been waiting to hear from Rebacacy who has provided the best perspective from inside the Athletic Department.
I suspected that this was the case with CPR, but it is nice to get some confirmation that is more than just speculation or logic. We are so fortunate to be in this situation. And it gives us every reason to think that it will continue to get better for the foreseeable future.
Again, you are failing to comprehend the real issues. DMac got 12 years to prove himself, not 1 or 2. Name another BCS school that will give a coach with DMac's record 12 years?
Even then, DMac was not fired because of going 4-8 after chocking in back-to-back years, he was fired because not enough ISU fans became all-in with DMac (supporting the program with money). Rhoads has already surpassed DMac in that regard. My contention was that if ISU fans support Rhoads with the resources he needs, he will be here.
The real question of ISU fans turning is whether we will START supporting ISU football to the level needed.
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6-7 is good enough now because the expectation is 3-5. What happens when the expectation is 6-7 or better?
Dont kid yourself by the end of year 5 or 6 fans will want more than 6-7 wins (And rightfully so). ISU will turn into every other fanbase complaining about 6-7 wins (If we consistently get that) because the expectations never stop. If you get 6 this year then next year everyone wants to see improvement so they will want 7, 8, 9 etc.
Im not arguing that CPR will stay or wont stay (I think he is here for 3 more yrs minumum) Im just saying that he is secure if he wins 6 games in year 5 or 6.
From 00-06 DMac had:
One 9 win season
Four 7 win seasons
5 bowl games
2 bowl wins
One Big 12 North Title(Tie)
2 losing records overall
2 conference losing records
Fans and boosters quickly become lynch mobs!
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