One True Champion???

[Tank]

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=1514841

So, how does a conference where everybody plays each other and has the motto of "One True Champion" have two conference champs?!?!?

Also, how does TCU make the final 4 and not Baylor when they lost to Baylor?!?!?

Doesnt make sense to me....


Caveat: with a Baylor win tonight.
Also, if this is already a topic, please merge.

 

[CyRodestr]

Maybe because they beat WVU and Baylor lost to WVU. I don't know.

 

[Tank]

And Baylor beat TCU...

Better change all the commercials and motto.

 

[jsb]

I don't understand why everyone is so worked up about this. Baylor will be the champion if they win tonight (not a sure thing). TCU will be the playoff team because they have better wins. The fact that we have no championship game is actually helping the Big 12 this year.

 

[michaelrr1]

Propaganda.

 

[Senolcyc]

I don't understand why everyone is so worked up about this. Baylor will be the champion if they win tonight (not a sure thing). TCU will be the playoff team because they have better wins. The fact that we have no championship game is actually helping the Big 12 this year.

Agree. Why the **** should I care if Baylor or TCU makes it? How would that affect me?

 

[michaelrr1]

I don't understand why everyone is so worked up about this. Baylor will be the champion if they win tonight (not a sure thing). TCU will be the playoff team because they have better wins. The fact that we have no championship game is actually helping the Big 12 this year.

What win does TCU have that is better than Baylor's win over TCU?

 

[Spam]

May not be one true champion. But there was one true loser.

 

[CyRodestr]

I know Baylor beat TCU but they also lost to a lower team WVU. I have no idea if that is what the committee is looking at or if it is the strength of schdule. Good grief

 

[CysRage]

I don't get why people are so butthurt about it as well. Ties happen. It could happen in basketball this year too. One True Champion is a marketing strategy! But I will give the Baylor fan props who had a gameday sign this morning that had Dr. Evil on it and it said "One True Champion". I chuckled.

 

[Tank]

I don't understand why everyone is so worked up about this. Baylor will be the champion if they win tonight (not a sure thing). TCU will be the playoff team because they have better wins. The fact that we have no championship game is actually helping the Big 12 this year.

Not if Ohio State gets into the final 4 because one of the committees criteria is conference champion.

 

[ljm4cy]

Maybe the committee believes TCU is the better team and would beat Baylor on a neutral field. Maybe the committee is to look at the entire year and not just one game. Maybe because Baylor chose not to play a non-Power 5 conference team in its nonconference schedule. Maybe because neither the Big 10 nor the Big 12 can count.

 

[Wesley]

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=1514841

So, how does a conference where everybody plays each other and has the motto of "One True Champion" have two conference champs?!?!?

Also, how does TCU make the final 4 and not Baylor when they lost to Baylor?!?!?

Doesnt make sense to me....


Caveat: with a Baylor win tonight.
Also, if this is already a topic, please merge.

No. It does not. This is the second place game tonight as TCU is going to the BCS.

 

[Clonehomer]

Not if Ohio State gets into the final 4 because one of the committees criteria is conference champion.

Not happening. If that were a chance they wouldn't have moved TCU to third last week. Baylor may be the champion, but TCU has a better resume than them and tOSU. It's no different than the NCAA tournament where a conference champ gets a lower seed than another team in their conference due to a better non-conference schedule. Baylor is getting punished for playing cream puffs.

 

[jdoggivjc]

According to the tie breaker that matters (head-to-head), if Baylor beats K-State, Baylor is the "One True Champion", if K-State beats Baylor, TCU is the "One True Champion". But hey, participation trophies. Oh - and I'm in favor of mocking the "One True Champion" marketing campaign, so yeah, "Two True Champions".

 

[alarson]

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=1514841

So, how does a conference where everybody plays each other and has the motto of "One True Champion" have two conference champs?!?!?

Also, how does TCU make the final 4 and not Baylor when they lost to Baylor?!?!?

Doesnt make sense to me....


Caveat: with a Baylor win tonight.
Also, if this is already a topic, please merge.

The same reason that sometimes a team that finishes lower in conference in basketball can end up higher seeded- the committee considers the entire resume.

TCU has a clearly superior overall resume. Baylor-TCU head to head was basically a push when you consider home field advantage. Baylor has the worse loss, and TCU has the stronger noncon.

 

[MNclone]

If Florida state and Ohio state lose tonight everyone will be just fine with how the Big XII has handled things.

 

[KidSilverhair]

Not if Ohio State gets into the final 4 because one of the committees criteria is conference champion.

I heard on ESPN radio this week that the committee told Bowlsby they would be happy to consider co-champions, at least this year. In other words, whatever "boost" Ohio State would get for winning the B1G, both Baylor and TCU get that same "boost" as co-champs of the Big XII.

So it's not a big deal. The talking heads and TV "analysts" (cough*Brian Griese*cough) are doing everything they can to whip up controversy about no Big XII title game. The committee isn't. TCU isn't going to get leapfrogged by OSU.

 

[CarolinaCy]

Same thing happened for the National Championship in 1993 season. Florida State lost @ Notre Dame for their only loss of the season. Notre Dame proceeded to lose to Boston College a week later. Both won their bowl games to finish 12-1 (FSU) and 11-1 (ND). Florida State was voted #1 in both polls, with ND #2, despite the head-to-head loss.

That year, FSU played #2 ND, #2 Nebraska (Orange Bowl), #3 Miami, #7 Florida, #13 UNC, #15 UVa and #17 Clemson, winning all but one obviously.

Fun fact: the FSU/ND game that year was the first instance of ESPN's College Gameday.

 

[KidSilverhair]

The same reason that sometimes a team that finishes lower in conference in basketball can end up higher seeded- the committee considers the entire resume.

TCU has a clearly superior overall resume. Baylor-TCU head to head was basically a push when you consider home field advantage. Baylor has the worse loss, and TCU has the stronger noncon.

Also a good point. Baylor defeated TCU by 3 points in Waco, but lost to West Virginia by 14 in Morgantown. TCU beat WVU in Morgantown.

Also, TCU beat Minnesota (whatever you say about the B1G, the Gophers are a bowl team this year) in a non-conference game by 23 points. Baylor's entire non-conference schedule was SMU (1-11 in the AAC), Northwestern State (6-6 and an FCS team), and Buffalo (5-6 in the MAC).

Measuring everything, I agree that while Baylor won the head-to-head matchup (and by that criteria could be considered Big XII champion), TCU has the better overall resume, and deserves to be ranked higher.